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>>stanis+(OP)
I don't really understand why it had to be this way. It's so easy to think of other ways this could have been handled. Even just announcing the same change with 6 months of lead time rather than 1 month would have gone over better. Or boil the frog and gradually introduce API restrictions. It's as if the CEO is purposefully being as belligerent as possible to rile people up.

>>extr+k4
Or they're broke and reddit is soon to be bankrupt.

But even so, if they had just said that, the outcome would be so much different. Because as of now it seems like they're fucking people over for the sake of fucking them over.

>>Commit+R4
An influx of capital would be easier by making everyone pay $10/mo to access the API via third-party clients. Would still be unpopular but would mean people could still have the experience they want to see from reddit.

but that's the issue - Reddit's been focusing on other forms of content only in the native Reddit app, like TikTok-esque live streams and promoted posts from subs you aren't subscribed to.

>>judge2+e7
They have a $4/month product ALL ready that removes ads and gives you more features. Making that a requirement to use the API is by FAR the simplest and most profitable option. Its also more profit then they're proposing to get from their API charges

>>a2tech+k8
I don't understand the Apollo side of this --- that's literally what he's being offered, by his own math. $3/month/user. Fairs fair. He has enough users to make millions a year: their servers aren't his for free forever.

People are tying themselves into knots turning Reddit into either near-bankrupt or evil. Or hyper-focusing on particular elements that are just disputable human interactions, like most (i.e. suggesting he could optimize API calls isn't some slap in the face & shitting on his app. really immature!)

I have absolutely 0 dog in this fight, no huge reddit fan, I just don't like how many people I see bamboozled by him. Extremely manipulative behavior.

>>refulg+ll
This is an incredibly disingenuous take.

First, no it is not 3$. Apple takes a 30% cut, and requires a yearly fee to keep the app on the store. There is also a separate server cost, and a cost associated with paying an engineer. The actual cost is 5 dollars.

Second, there is only one single month to make all changes. Pricing was announced only 30 days prior.

That means payment setup, subscription changes, app update and payment approval requests, etc all need to happen within 30days. This is literally impossible.

Third, there are people who have paid a for a yearly subscription. (10$ total) Those funds either need to be refunded in it's entirety, or be allowed to run out first. Both will not occur within 30 days. That is literally impossible for apollo dev to do. That's just an issue of how refunding works and timelines.

If it is the latter, the dev will be incurring ~50,000 usd in costs every month. This is impossible to sustain.

Either way, there are app store rules that must be followed first. Reddit's timeline is incompatible with them.

And finally, regardless of API costs! reddit has on multiple occasions, defamed Apollo dev. Why would he continue working with a company that makes false blackmail accusations, then doubles down after evidence is provided?

https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w...

>>Prickl+Pp
$3/user/mo is also the average cost across all of his (active?) users - you can bet that if the users start having to pay the people who use Reddit constantly will be more likely to subscribe than the ones who use it once a month.

There might genuinely not be a single price that pays for itself, and usage-based pricing might be required.

>>lavery+C82
Yeah, that is what running a business is like.

People are unintentionally grading him on a _huge_ curve, essentially "what if...all I had to do was code and App Store?" That would be nice, I get the impression he's had a fun ride so far where that was pretty much it. Now that the thing he's selling isn't free, he can pound the table and quit, or run the business.