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1. sandya+k4[view] [source] 2023-05-26 16:00:46
>>airhan+(OP)
I noticed this yesterday. I've been using Mozilla/Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox as my primary browser for over 20 years. They've made some questionable calls, sure, but most of the recent things that have bothered people (like Pocket integration) haven't really irked me.

This is the first time where I got a visceral feeling that maybe this isn't the browser I knew and loved anymore. It's not like I'm uninstalling and switching to something else, but I do feel bummed out.

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2. ilikep+g6[view] [source] 2023-05-26 16:10:26
>>sandya+k4
Did you miss the episode in 2017 in which they used an internal control to force the installation of an add-on as part of a promotion for a television show?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15941302

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15940144

I feel similarly to you...long-time user, bummed out by stuff like this. Sometimes it feels like Firefox would be a lot better off without Mozilla occasionally making deals like this.

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3. 0cf861+Ub[view] [source] 2023-05-26 16:33:47
>>ilikep+g6
I read a conspiracy that Google has paid off Mozilla management to specifically sabotage the browser development. Actions like this make it hard to dispute the moves that frequently seem deliberately anti-user.
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4. dehrma+9g[view] [source] 2023-05-26 16:49:38
>>0cf861+Ub
Th other conspiracy I've heard is Google subsidizes Mozilla so they have a credible claim there's competition in the market.
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5. boombo+IE[view] [source] 2023-05-26 18:49:33
>>dehrma+9g
If true, it really backfired on them as buying Mozilla's default search is currently being used against them in a search engine antitrust suit.
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6. pessim+aL[view] [source] 2023-05-26 19:28:47
>>boombo+IE
According to a weird definition of "really backfired," because they would without question have been hit a long time ago with credible antitrust if they hadn't kept Firefox afloat (though user-hostile enough to keep people on Chrome.)

There's such a marginal difference between the quality of the two browsers, and Chrome is held back in what it can be by the necessity of furthering Google's commercial interests. The only limit Firefox has had is that they can't abuse the trust of their users. Firefox had to voluntarily (and often aggressively) inflict a huge amount of reputational and functional damage on itself to reduce its market share to the place that it has.

edit: it's important to say that they didn't really backslide technically; it's user-hostile (management) decisions that have hurt the browser, not anything to do with the skill of Firefox developers.

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