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1. fsflov+lV[view] [source] 2023-05-20 12:54:54
>>sanity+(OP)
I wonder how it differs from https://geti2p.net.
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2. sanity+lW[view] [source] 2023-05-20 13:03:28
>>fsflov+lV
I2P is an anonymizing proxy but I2P hidden services still run on a single machine, just anonymized. With the new Freenet the services themselves are decentralized [1]. You can think of the new Freenet as a global decentralized computer running decentralized software systems.

[1] https://docs.freenet.org/components.html

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3. ravens+w51[view] [source] 2023-05-20 14:24:20
>>sanity+lW
Hasn't that always been the case for Freenet? I'm pretty sure this is in no way revolutionary.

I'm unsure how I feel about this feature. It's one thing to facilitate encrypted data passing, or to selectively choose what data to mirror, but do I really want to serve as a host for CP unknowingly? I guess it might be possible to block known unsavory content, but that just seems like an endless game of cat and mouse.

While I like the idea of making the web redundant, I don't think it should be a feature of the web itself. People should explicitly opt into mirroring content they think is important. Anonymity is way more important than resilience.

If Freenet can succeed in helping to defeat centralized power over the web, that would be a great thing. I just hope it doesn't end up being a distraction that works against that goal. I2P has been the beat solution for a long time, yet projects with serious inherent flaws like Tor and the old Freenet suck the oxygen out of the room.

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4. sanity+k61[view] [source] 2023-05-20 14:29:54
>>ravens+w51
> Hasn't that always been the case for Freenet? I'm pretty sure this is in no way revolutionary.

No, the original Freenet was more like a decentralized dropbox, not a general purpose decentralized computer like the new Freenet.

> but do I really want to serve as a host for CP unknowingly? I guess it might be possible to block known unsavory content, but that just seems like an endless game of cat and mouse.

The new Freenet will have a reputation system that will strongly punish anyone's reputation for posting anything like CP. Also, when your computer is part of the (new) Freenet network, it acts more like a relay than a host.

> Anonymity is way more important than resilience.

For some things, not for others. That's why anonymity with the new Freenet will be a service, not built into the OS itself.

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5. tiluha+7O1[view] [source] 2023-05-20 19:43:05
>>sanity+k61
Can you explain the reputation system a bit more? Is all content in freenet public or how would you know that someone posted certain content? How are they punished for it? Do other users actively have to "down vote" them to reduce their reputation or is there an entity which can influence reputation? Is there are single global reputation system or is it more local?
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