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1. ravens+Df[view] [source] 2023-04-05 20:06:47
>>mconle+(OP)
Windows Defender is a long standing bug in the Windows operating system. ;)

My impression is that its invention was for the sole purpose of eradicating the idea that Windows is insecure and prone to viruses, which explains why it can be overzealous and CPU hungry.

I would only enable it for family members who don't know what they are doing. For some reason, I haven't needed any form of active virus scanning in something like 15 years. If it turns out I've been infected this entire time, the criminals sure are taking their time stealing my money, etc.

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2. thewat+si[view] [source] 2023-04-05 20:25:24
>>ravens+Df
There's a misconception that you need to do something "stupid" to get a virus which is simply not the case. 0 days exist, and worms are still a thing (looking at you samba).

A great example is Pytorch just recently had a supply chain attack, and installing the nightly version between December 25th and December 30th, 2022 - would result in your home directory getting uploaded including ssh keys.

Chrome also just had a 0 day 2022 - CVE-2022-3075

Pytorch supply chain attack via Triton 2022/2023 - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/pytorch-discl...

EDIT: Also there's a misconception that linux somehow doesn't get viruses - however the Pytorch attack affected linux users. Making a virus for windows gives you far more targets then linux, which is why they're far more common.

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3. lionko+Xk[view] [source] 2023-04-05 20:37:53
>>thewat+si
windows users will also happily "run as administrator", while a lot of linux users know not to do that in my experience
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4. qup+Fw[view] [source] 2023-04-05 21:42:51
>>lionko+Xk
Yes, I have an absolutely pristine record and I have never, ever copy-pasted a script from the internet with sudo, or piped curl into bash because I'm lazy and I trust most github READMEs. Never.
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5. chlori+0d1[view] [source] 2023-04-06 02:31:46
>>qup+Fw
I have literally never done this and do not understand why anyone would.

Installing software to the system should be handled by a package manager, but if you must install something like this, just throw it in a tmpfile and inspect the script before running it.

I know the response to this will be "but the things the script downloads and installs could be malicious", and while this is true, so long as the sources in the install script are fine, I consider this to be a separate issue (but still a big issue).

The issue of trusting source code or binaries is a thing but it doesn't justify copy pasta'ing random scripts in the shell.

Another thing to take note of, there in the past have been bugs in terminal emulators that allowed pasting certain characters that made the text look completely different than what it actually was, so pasting "ls $HOME" could have actually been "rm -rf ~/" for example.

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