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1. emacdo+hQ[view] [source] 2023-02-24 01:30:32
>>taubek+(OP)
I recommend using an ad-blocker while visiting that site :-/

Lately, I find myself using more and more plugins to make the "modern web" tolerable. To list a few:

Channel Blocker (lets me block channels from search results on Youtube); uBlock Origin; Disconnect; F.B Purity; Consent-O-Matic (auto fill cookie consent forms); Kagi Search; PopUpOFF; Facebook Container; Privacy Badger; ClearURLs; Return YouTube Dislike

Basically, if I visit a website and don't like the experience, I either never go back (Kagi lets me exclude it from search results) or find a plugin to make it tolerable.

What I really want now is the ability to exclude entire websites from any permissions I grant to plugins. I feel like in the last year, I've read a couple stories about companies buying successful plugins and then using them to track you or show ads or whatever. I'm worried this will be the next stage in the battle for our attention -- best case: companies will buy popular plugins to track us and show us intrusive ads; worst case: nefarious actors will buy them to scrape information we think is private and collect it.

IE: I just want to be able to say "Hey, Firefox... those permissions that I granted to plugins x, y, and z? They don't apply to www.myfavoritebank.example.com"

Is there a browser that has that feature yet? I spent a few hours trying to figure out if Firefox did. It did not appear to.

edit: Added semicolons to separate plugins in list b/c HN stripped the newlines from my comment.

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2. Xenoam+jM1[view] [source] 2023-02-24 10:29:55
>>emacdo+hQ
> Basically, if I visit a website and don't like the experience, I either never go back (Kagi lets me exclude it from search results) or find a plugin to make it tolerable.

If you like a site to go back to it repeatedly don't you think it would be fair to "pay the fee" of seeing the ads, thus supporting that site, however annoying they are?

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3. emacdo+Z42[view] [source] 2023-02-24 13:26:07
>>Xenoam+jM1
> If you like a site to go back to it repeatedly don't you think it would be fair to "pay the fee" of seeing the ads, thus supporting that site...

I struggle with this. Of course I want the producers of content that I like to make money. And it seems obvious to me that if I'm one of the people consuming (and liking) that content... some of that money I want them to make should come from me.

But the pipeline that the "modern web" provides to complete that transaction is openly hostile towards me. It makes content creators that I want to support participants in a giant machine designed to build a dossier on me (and every other user of the "modern web"). It also encourages VERY LARGE numbers of content creators I do not want to support -- those whose primary goal is to be participant in that machine; who only produce content because the machine requires it.

I would argue that this machine has never built this dossier with my "informed" consent (but lawyers could make the case that it has). But now, the machine builds it without even bothering to get my "uninformed" consent. For example: Facebook is known to build profiles on people that don't have Facebook accounts -- ie: people that could never have agreed to their TOS.

The top priority of this giant machine is putting ads in front of my face. Helping me discover content that I want to consume is only a secondary priority.

And there is a GOOD reason for why this machine evolved: people don't want to pay money _directly_ to content creators, so a way evolved for them to receive compensation _indirectly_. So yes, this is -- at least in part -- my (our) fault.

But I really feel like things have shifted to the point where the large majority of compensation that content creators receive is a function of their value to that machine... not a function of the value they create for the people who consume their content.

This is all a very long way of saying: I don't believe the value of a content creator _to me_ should be calculated based on their value _to this machine_.

I don't know what the solution is. Find a way to accurately assess the value _to me_, not _to the machine_ -- and then provide a way for me to pay the content creator directly. If I like the content enough -- and IF I'm not shown ads or tracked once I'm a paying customer -- I will pay. This is how newspapers worked for... centuries? (Save that newspapers did show ads, though they did not track you).

The problem is... I think that being part of the machine is more lucrative than selling content directly to consumers. And the hostility of this machine towards me has turned this into a fight. Of course I'm going to fight back.

> ...however annoying they are?

This is where you start to lose me. I don't think "annoying" captures just how "hostile" this machine has become.

I'm old enough to remember switching from Yahoo Search to Google Search -- NOT because the results were better, but because Google's ads were less intrusive. I never blocked those ads. I even clicked a few...

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4. mcv+WS4[view] [source] 2023-02-25 08:42:28
>>emacdo+Z42
I know of only one website that does ads right: the Penny Arcade web comic. I admit I haven't gone there in years, but when I did, their ads were always products they approved of (usually computer games), in the style of the web comic, in a way that fits the site, and made by them, so no malware. This makes it less intrusive, but also a powerful stamp of approval, that I suspect makes it far more effective as an ad. This is better for legitimate advertisers and visitors, although it does mean extra work for the site, of course.
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