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1. rexree+Kz[view] [source] 2023-02-03 14:30:39
>>tardis+(OP)
From an earlier comment I made regarding Stripe shutting merchants down, and those merchants resorting to posting on HN and getting someone on HN to advocate for them to resolve their problem [0]:

"The main issue is not that [COMPANY] is working hard to protect itself and its customers, but that customers feel very powerless in these situations. When it takes a massive effort to get attention, especially if you're small and powerless, you feel that you have no control, and that your issues will go unanswered. What can the average, powerless customer who doesn't have the weight of social media, HN, @dang, or others on their side do when their hard-earned money or business is being held, locked, or otherwise prevented, and when the cause is not fraudulent, or if the customer is unaware of that activity? The problem is that accounts are just shut down, moneys are held, and there's no quick or clear communication, with customer support simply saying it's not in their control. It's this feeling of powerlessness that's the issue, regardless of whether or not [COMPANY] is in its rights or doing what it feels is in its and its customers best interests.

What can you do to help empower the powerless customers when their livelihoods are at stake? Can you provide some way to not instantly assume fraud or malicious intent on behalf of the customer and provide some quick and direct way for the customer to feel empowered?"

Having to resort to HN to get major problems resolved that are major customer service and potential legal / liability issues causes me a lot of stress when I realize that I have don't have nearly the same sort of power or influence as some of the others here do on HN. I worry that my complaints would simply go ignored.

@jgrahamc would love you to comment on what we can do to avoid people having to resort to HN for a solution to these problems, which favors the well-connected and squeaky wheels and disfavors everyone else.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34274456

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2. KennyB+wn1[view] [source] 2023-02-03 17:29:06
>>rexree+Kz
> What can you do to help empower the powerless customers when their livelihoods are at stake? Can you provide some way to not instantly assume fraud or malicious intent on behalf of the customer and provide some quick and direct way for the customer to feel empowered?"

Legislation and regulation.

Mill owners used to send little kids into running machines and they'd get shredded. Now we have child labor laws where under a certain age someone isn't allowed to operate most powered equipment.

Mill owners used to not pay people for their wages. Now we have laws with civil and criminal repercussions if you don't pay someone timely and in full.

The phone and electric companies have to follow a bunch of regulations around shutting off your service, because of the consequences.

Companies should not be able to say "and if we fail, lol whatevs, fuck off." If you are providing a service, and someone depends on it to run for their business, then you should be responsible if you fail to provide service. Cost of doing business.

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