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1. bryanr+58[view] [source] 2023-01-14 08:27:30
>>zacwes+(OP)
It seems to me the communal voice of HN varies widely on copyright issues depending on who is getting sued and who is getting potentially hurt by violations.

People who generally make less money than programmers - writers, artists, musicians - should stop their whining and their unfair uses of copyright to control their creative output.

Programmers who are getting shafted by big corporations using their code to build machine learning models need urgent protection and fairness.

It probably doesn't help that almost every copyright argument here gets made with the understanding of copyright prevalent in the American model - that is to say that copyright exists to promote the progress of science and the useful arts - whereas in many countries copyright is understood as existing because the creator of something has a moral right to control and ownership of whatever they made.

Obviously this lawsuit is in the U.S but I suppose even if it loses here other lawsuits in other countries, with a different understanding of copyright, might succeed.

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2. Ferret+Fg[view] [source] 2023-01-14 10:04:00
>>bryanr+58
I think the pushback from programmers has a different motivation.

Programmers love to share code, but they don't want to share it with corporations who don't give back. We invented copyleft as a way to (ab)use the legal system to open up everything. We hate copyright and "love" "copyleft" as a means to weaken copyright.

It would be like if artists gave away all of their art, except not to corporations who hog their copyrights.

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