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1. dr_dsh+12[view] [source] 2023-01-14 07:17:25
>>zacwes+(OP)
“Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion con­tains unau­tho­rized copies of mil­lions—and pos­si­bly bil­lions—of copy­righted images.”

That’s going to be hard to argue. Where are the copies?

“Hav­ing copied the five bil­lion images—with­out the con­sent of the orig­i­nal artists—Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion relies on a math­e­mat­i­cal process called dif­fu­sion to store com­pressed copies of these train­ing images, which in turn are recom­bined to derive other images. It is, in short, a 21st-cen­tury col­lage tool.“

“Diffu­sion is a way for an AI pro­gram to fig­ure out how to recon­struct a copy of the train­ing data through denois­ing. Because this is so, in copy­right terms it’s no dif­fer­ent from an MP3 or JPEG—a way of stor­ing a com­pressed copy of cer­tain dig­i­tal data.”

The examples of training diffusion (eg, reconstructing a picture out of noise) will be core to their argument in court. Certainly during training the goal is to reconstruct original images out of noise. But, do they exist in SD as copies? Idk

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2. TheDon+F3[view] [source] 2023-01-14 07:36:40
>>dr_dsh+12
It doesn't matter if they exist as exact copies in my opinion.

The law doesn't recognize a mathematical computer transformation as creating a new work with original copyright.

If you give me an image, and I encrypt it with a randomly generated password, and then don't write down the password anywhere, the resulting file will be indistinguishable from random noise. No one can possibly derive the original image from it. But, it's still copyrighted by the original artist as long as they can show "This started as my image, and a machine made a rote mathematical transformation to it" because machine's making rote mathematical transformations cannot create new copyright.

The argument for stable diffusion would be that even if you cannot point to any image, since only algorithmic changes happened to the inputs, without any human creativity, the output is a derived work which does not have its own unique copyright.

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3. limite+z4[view] [source] 2023-01-14 07:49:38
>>TheDon+F3
So what happens if you put a painting into a mechanical grinder? Is the shapeless pile of dust still copyrighted work? I don’t think so.
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4. TheDon+F9[view] [source] 2023-01-14 08:43:56
>>limite+z4
Maybe?

If you take a bad paper shredder that, say, shreds a photo into large re-usable chunks, run the photo through that, and tape the large re-usable chunks back together, you have a photo with the same copyright as before.

If you tape them together in a new creative arrangement, you might apply enough human creativity to create a new copyrighted work.

If you grind the original to dust, and then have a mechanical process somehow mechanically re-arrange the pieces back into an image without applying creativity, then the new mechanically created arrangement would, I suspect, be a derived work.

Of course, such a process don't really exist, so for the "shapeless dust" question, it's pretty pointless to think about. However, stable diffusion is grinding images down into neural networks, and then without a significant amount of human creativity involved, creating images reconstituted from that dust.

Perhaps the prompt counts as human creativity, but that seems fairly unlikely. After all, you can give it a prompt of 'dog' and get reconstituted dust, that hardly seems like it clears a bar.

Perhaps the training process somehow injected human creativity, but that also seems difficult to argue, it's an algorithm.

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