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1. infraw+mX[view] [source] 2022-12-16 08:06:53
>>prawn+(OP)
Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2].

The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3].

Musk now claims that they are fixing a “legacy bug” [4] and this is why Spaces has been disabled. In my opinion, Musk is behaving like a petulant child and his group of cheerleaders look more ridiculous and without backbone each day.

[1] https://twitter.com/forevereversley/status/16036127708929187...

[2] https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/16036045712884695...

[3] https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1603622824177848326

[4] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603649264290123778

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2. random+W21[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:00:35
>>infraw+mX
I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate.

It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict.

Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact.

Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the diver or against short sellers.

One aspect of Elon’s actions does not cancel the other out. We should celebrate the good and debate the bad.

I feel like this melodrama is driven by Musk’s detractors ready to pounce and dismiss, say, the development of reusable rockets, by Musk being petulant. That is not an argument that makes any sense.

And the same goes for any fans who think Musk’s incredible achievements give him permission to ban and censor those who annoy him.

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3. polyga+u81[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:58:31
>>random+W21
> One aspect of Elon’s actions does not cancel the other out. We should celebrate the good and debate the bad.

However, I find it incredibly telling that every time Musk is criticized about his behavior over Twitter, some people cannot but bring up Tesla and SpaceX. Why is that? Do we have to put a disclaimer with every potentially good thing someone has done every time we criticize someone?

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4. random+w91[view] [source] 2022-12-16 10:09:49
>>polyga+u81
Well, this is somewhat circular but I think you’re making a genuine point that doesn’t apply in my case.

I was following the other way around… people are dismissing Musk as a whole and turning this into a binary debate, so I felt the need to point out that Musk’s achievements aren’t really disputable, so it’s silly to treat this as a binary debate.

It can be “yeah musk has done stupid things and brilliant things” but not “musk has done stupid things and anyone who defends him is a fanboy and what he has achieved positively is now moot.” And the post I was replying to, and indeed much of the debate, takes that form.

And y’know personally that really bothers me. Casting people as goodies or baddies just really gets to me for some reason. I don’t know why, it’s just really irrational behaviour that I can’t tolerate very well.

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5. foogaz+IO1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 15:10:39
>>random+w91
> so I felt the need to point out that Musk’s achievements aren’t really disputable

Why? What do the previous achievements matter in a discussion about a self described “free speech absolutist” suddenly banning accounts without any transparency

All I care as a Twitter user is if the accounts I follow will be there tomorrow- if not my experience is diminished

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