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1. infraw+mX[view] [source] 2022-12-16 08:06:53
>>prawn+(OP)
Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2].

The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3].

Musk now claims that they are fixing a “legacy bug” [4] and this is why Spaces has been disabled. In my opinion, Musk is behaving like a petulant child and his group of cheerleaders look more ridiculous and without backbone each day.

[1] https://twitter.com/forevereversley/status/16036127708929187...

[2] https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/16036045712884695...

[3] https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1603622824177848326

[4] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603649264290123778

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2. random+W21[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:00:35
>>infraw+mX
I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate.

It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict.

Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact.

Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the diver or against short sellers.

One aspect of Elon’s actions does not cancel the other out. We should celebrate the good and debate the bad.

I feel like this melodrama is driven by Musk’s detractors ready to pounce and dismiss, say, the development of reusable rockets, by Musk being petulant. That is not an argument that makes any sense.

And the same goes for any fans who think Musk’s incredible achievements give him permission to ban and censor those who annoy him.

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3. mattma+J31[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:07:51
>>random+W21
People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk.

All he's demonstrating is that CEO pay and comp should never have got as high as it has and taxes on rich people needs to go way higher, they are just going to waste it any way.

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4. random+v41[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:16:25
>>mattma+J31
> People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk

You can’t be serious. So Musk can’t take any credit for what those companies have achieved?

By that logic, he should also be blameless for any problems at Twitter.

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5. themoo+W71[view] [source] 2022-12-16 09:51:28
>>random+v41
Both tesla and spaceX are famously structured internally specifically to handle musk and his ideas, in the sense that they will have a team dedicated to listening to him then basically doing the minimum viable thing to make him think his ideas have been implemented. When management has an adversarial relationship with the CEO, it's hard to see what contributions musk could have made to the products directly. I will however concede that he has been a valuable viral marketing tool, but obviously that is changing rapidly.

The reason the twitter fiasco is happening is that twitter doesn't have such a team dedicated to cushioning musk, and so he goes around dictating whatever thoughts he has on an already major platform, even if these thoughts are directly contradictory with earlier ones, as was visible publicly on twitter.

Other than PR, which he is becoming worthless for (unless you count appealing to the historically not-believing-in-climate-change right as good PR for an EV company), i don't think musk has achieved much personally beyond having capital (with questionable legitimacy re its acquisition).

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6. TheHap+Yb1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 10:37:04
>>themoo+W71
SpaceX was founded by Musk, he is the CEO, CTO, chairman of the board, owns 47% of the stock and has voting control of the board.

You seriously believe he allows a team of people to act as an intermediary between him and the company, yesman and nod to him, then go and do their own thing?

Step back for a second and consider how incredibly unlikely this scenario is. Try and put another successful billionaire and the company they founded into a hypothetical, and tell me it's realistic.

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7. ericma+Fd1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 10:54:08
>>TheHap+Yb1
Well if they exist it’s unlikely he would allow them, which makes it somewhat plausible (idk) and it’s certainly not generally unheard of.

Another scenario to think about here is how does he spend any amount of quality time focusing on SpaceX or SpaceX projects when he’s running day-to-day ops at Twitter for sure and supposedly Tesla too. Something has to give.

If he’s mostly spending his time on Twitter I don’t see how it’s all that implausible that for SpaceX he does randomly show up and toss around ideas and people tell him yes so he goes away and they can go back to their normal ops. I don’t know either way, but I wouldn’t really dismiss it so offhandedly.

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8. TheHap+kg1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 11:14:27
>>ericma+Fd1
It's a good question, and I suspect he doesn't spend as much time on SpaceX as he used to.

However, he did found SpaceX 20 years ago in 2002. And their first successful launch was in 2008, 14 years ago.

It's entirely likely he puts less effort and impact into the daily running of SpaceX now, however I don't believe his last 6 months running Twitter invalidate his last 20 years running SpaceX.

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9. ericma+YI1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 14:44:24
>>TheHap+kg1
I don't think it invalidates it, but it's impossible to run 3 companies the size of SpaceX, Tesla, and Twitter so I'm sympathetic to the idea that he might drop by one day to a Tesla and they give him high-fives and tell him what he wants to hear and then once he leaves they get back to whatever they were doing.

Have to imagine investors in Tesla are not happy right now with such divisive activities from Elon Musk in the public sphere and the lack of focus on the company (yes I can say factually he is not focusing enough on Tesla).

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