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>>TimWol+(OP)
The worst part about PHP is constantly hearing from its detractors, who are often people who haven’t used the language in many years. Haystack needle order, $, fractal of bad design, it just gets old.

The language isn’t perfect but I love working with it, these 8.1 and 8.2 improvements have really made it sweet.

My biggest gripe at the moment is the (very old) behavior of e.g. preg_match() and sort(). You’ve got a small handful of these common functions that operate on their input by reference/in place which is gross. A new version of these would be welcome.

>>user39+j7
> I love working with it

Great! Keep using it! Ignore us. We (detractors) also had to use it and have since learned (hopefully several) other languages that (not looking at you JS) we like much better... :)

>>cies+O9
What was the motive behind this post? What do you hope to gain?

If it's recognition for learning <insert-language>, how do I provide it to you?

>>zmxz+oa
Something that is extremely common in the PHP community, and pretty much absent in any other programming community, is this knee-jerk aversion to the idea of learning another language, and this sort of derision to those who do.

Have you consider that people who learn other programming languages are not doing so in order to claim that they're better than PHP programmers, but for their own intrinsic reasons?

It's such a weird, fragile ego situation. Does everyone else have to pretend that PHP is the only language that exists in order to placate your sense of inferiority?

>>sdiaco+jY
> extremely common in the PHP community?

If I'm going to guess is that you have interacted with non-professional and/or beginner level PHP programmers, they could feel threatened becuase the only development skill they have is rudimentary PHP and you are asking them to replace that with something much more difficult. I have seen some of it myself, and it has always come down to lack of skill.

And this makes sense why you have encountered this within the larger PHP community, becuase PHP is an easy to learn beginner friendly language that is used by the majority of blog and forum systems, zero setup web frameworks, and all of it can be set into production on almost every server on earth. Thus there are many low skilled PHP developers, probably more than moth other languages.

And this is the lessons, it is important to understand that every community consist of large variety of disparate groups, especially within the PHP community, and it is up to you to learn to distinguish them. Unfortunately many are blind to this when it comes to the PHP community, outsiders may think the work I do professionally is the same as someone setting up blog for the first time, just because we use the same language. It would be same to think that the result of a first grader learning to write is the same thing as Tolkien's writings becuase both are in English.