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1. comex+7y[view] [source] 2022-11-03 07:50:37
>>feross+(OP)
> And it would make the avoid-harassment side happier, since they could set their filters to stronger than the default setting, and see even less harassment than they do now.

I highly doubt it.

I’m pretty sure typical harassment comes in the form of many similar messages by many different users joining a bandwagon. Moderation wouldn’t really be fast enough to stop that; indeed, Twitter’s current moderation scheme isn’t fast enough to stop it. But the current scheme is capable of penalizing people after the fact, particularly the organizer(s) of the bandwagon, and that creates some level of deterrence. An opt-out moderation scheme would be less effective as a deterrent, since the type of political influencers that tend to be involved in these things could likely easily convince their followers to opt out.

That may be a cost worth paying for the sake of free speech. But don’t expect it to make the anti-harassment side happy.

That said, it’s not like that side can only tolerate (what this post terms as) censorship. On the contrary, they seem to like Mastodon and its federated model. I do suspect that approach would not work as well at higher scale - not in a technical sense, but in terms of the ability to set and enforce norms across servers. But that’s total speculation, and I haven’t even used Mastodon myself…

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2. danger+A31[view] [source] 2022-11-03 12:43:21
>>comex+7y
> Moderation wouldn’t really be fast enough to stop that

Social media keep using this excuse for not trying. We can moderate spam in emails with a simple naive bayes classifier, why don't we just do that with comments? It could easily classify comments that are part of a bandwagon and flag them automaticly hiding them or for human review.

We are able to moderate email but the concepts we use to do so are never applied to comments, I don't know why, this seems like a solved problem.

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3. UncleM+xc1[view] [source] 2022-11-03 13:32:14
>>danger+A31
That's the current system. ML plus humans to remove harmful content. And people like Elon are extremely upset about this. Heck, you even see the GOP complaining about spam filtering on gmail. Hard to say that this is a solved problem that everybody agrees works well.
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4. concor+O32[view] [source] 2022-11-03 17:00:39
>>UncleM+xc1
I thought Elon was upset about the Babylon Bee being banned?
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