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[return to "Moderation is different from censorship"]
1. DeathA+Vu[view] [source] 2022-11-03 07:16:27
>>feross+(OP)
That's a very thin line between moderation and censorship. When in doubt about which is which, think if if obeys freedom of speech or not.

Deleting a comment because it is insulting a person is moderation. Deleting a comment because you don't like it, it doesn't conform to your views or you find it outrageous, silly, inflammatory, false, fake is censorship.

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2. dang+vw[view] [source] 2022-11-03 07:32:24
>>DeathA+Vu
It's maddeningly difficult to distinguish those thin lines in oneself. I've been working on that for years and it takes all the self-awareness I have. This makes me happy that HN is small (by internet standards) because how do you scale self-awarness? It seems almost an oxymoron.

Your comment brings this out because some subset of "outrageous, silly, inflammatory, false, fake" is right on the cusp, and making those calls (to moderate or not to moderate?) puts tremendous pressure on one's own feelings and beliefs. What helps one do it neutrally is self-awareness, but that is the scarcest thing there is. It takes a decade of hard work to distill a bit more. (Edit: and I'm not claiming to have much; just that it's needed.)

I'm uncomfortable with the "false" / "fake" end of your spectrum because we don't have a truth meter. Who am I to decide what's true or false or "mis" or "dis" for anybody else? I'm not taking on that karma.

"Inflammatory" is easier to work with because it's about predictable community effects and one can moderate for community cohesion. Moderating that way ends up excluding truths that the community can't withstand, but such truths probably exist for any community. Groups may even be defined by what they exclude. We can try to stretch those limits but there's only so much elasticity available.

I blanched when I read "Moderation is the normal business activity of ensuring that your customers like using your product" in the OP, but actually that's basically saying moderation is about community cohesion and I can't disagree. But the secret agenda, on HN at least, is to stretch it.

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3. andrew+gx[view] [source] 2022-11-03 07:41:41
>>dang+vw
> HN is relatively small

...Is it? I mean, compared to Twitter, sure, but for a private forum I think of it as relatively large.

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4. pixl97+Tj1[view] [source] 2022-11-03 14:03:52
>>andrew+gx
Not only is HN small, it's focused.

Make a post about celebrities, politics, or religion (that's not tech related) and see how long before it's flagged out of existence.

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