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[return to "I asked Signal motivations for SMS removal"]
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1. joel35+Ub[view] [source] 2022-10-19 09:01:23
>>quenti+(OP)
With Signal moving away from SMS, the required messaging app stack on my phone just to be able to receive everything sent do me will have to be:

- Signal -> Close friends & family I've convinced to use it.

- WhatsApp -> Most of my friends.

- SMS -> School notifications, 2FA, shipping updates, etc.

- Facebook Messenger -> Elderly relatives

- Telegram -> That one relative who wants to use this instead of Signal.

Is there a consolidated messaging app that the HN community recommends?

I can't be the only one suffering from messenger bloat.

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2. jbvers+0d[view] [source] 2022-10-19 09:12:18
>>joel35+Ub
I never understood Telegram. It's insecure by default, runs in a different jurisdiction. It's not even anonymous

But somehow people started using it because it was "more secure" than whatsapp.

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3. NayamA+ff[view] [source] 2022-10-19 09:31:37
>>jbvers+0d
> It's insecure by default

Any proof? If you're calling MTProto 2.0 'insecure' then you should know it's already been audited multiple times in the last 2 years. If insecure means not using E2EE, then I guess the whole infrastructure of the internet is insecure.

> It's not even anonymous

It's more anonymous than Signal is. It requires phone number to register but you don't need to share a phone number or any personal detail to communicate with people.

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4. lucb1e+Oi[view] [source] 2022-10-19 10:00:58
>>NayamA+ff
> > It's insecure by default

> If you're calling MTProto 2.0 'insecure' then you should know [...]

If you're calling "secret chats" the default, then you should ask around or try to use telegram on desktop or just open telegram and see how much stuff is actually encrypted.

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5. NayamA+eq[view] [source] 2022-10-19 11:01:18
>>lucb1e+Oi
> If you're calling "secret chats" the default

MTProto is the name of the:

1. Cloud Encryption

2. E2E encryption

algorithm at Telegram. MTProto 2.0 is not just secret chats, a different implementation is used for cloud: https://core.telegram.org/mtproto/AJiEAwIYFoAsBGJBjZwYoQIwFM...

Both cloud and e2ee consist of what's called the MTProto 2.0 algorithm.

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6. lucb1e+Rj2[view] [source] 2022-10-19 20:35:08
>>NayamA+eq
Yeah that cloud encryption is bullshit. If you're not transferring keys in a way that only your devices can access the data, then they can also read the data. It's indeed not broken if it didn't perform this function in the first place
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