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>>quenti+(OP)
With Signal moving away from SMS, the required messaging app stack on my phone just to be able to receive everything sent do me will have to be:

- Signal -> Close friends & family I've convinced to use it.

- WhatsApp -> Most of my friends.

- SMS -> School notifications, 2FA, shipping updates, etc.

- Facebook Messenger -> Elderly relatives

- Telegram -> That one relative who wants to use this instead of Signal.

Is there a consolidated messaging app that the HN community recommends?

I can't be the only one suffering from messenger bloat.

>>joel35+Ub
Matrix

>>robobr+rc
Matrix has fundamental security problems that they seem unwilling to fix. Almost a polar opposite to Signal.

>>angry_+dk
What security problems?

Genuinely curious, not trying to be antagonistic.

>>derbOa+Zv
Commentry from tptacek: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/1575259743278563329

on this paper: https://nebuchadnezzar-megolm.github.io/

>>angry_+Rd1
Thanks.

Worth reading the response from Matrix as well (https://matrix.org/blog/category/security).

My first reactions are to wonder how many of these issues are associated with federated (as opposed to fundamentally decentralized) group chat in general. Matrix seems to be taking the position that some of these issues ultimately relate to trust vs lack thereof in the homeserver as a bottleneck.

I also wondered if there was a good security model for federated or decentralized group chat at all at the moment. I can't remember offhand if Briar was adding groups or not, but that's not federated.