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1. andrew+Ob[view] [source] 2022-10-12 11:09:15
>>nickpa+(OP)
Is this the same person who every now and then appears on HN utterly outraged by Wikipedia's fundraising?

I donate to Wikipedia.

And I am glad they have lots of money. I do not feel outraged about it, I feel happy about it.

I do not feel outraged that they use whatever persuasive tactics that they use - this is necessary in the modern world.

Wikipedia is a great service, it should be valued. They should not always be living close to the edge of going out of business. How they spend their funds raised is their business.

This anti Wikipedia person is really annoying and I wish they would stop their crusade.

EDIT: it seems the outraged guy is a right wing Murdoch journalist. Enough said, it all adds up. I still remember how Murdoch ran a successful campaign here in Australia to sink the planned national fibre to the home broadband network - 10 years down the track we never got our national fibre network. These guys hate tech, especially free information services like Wikipedia and national broadcasters like the ABC Australian Broadcasting Corporation - Murdoch wants to own it all and hates free.

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2. andrew+xc[view] [source] 2022-10-12 11:15:54
>>andrew+Ob
"Wokepedia". This guy certainly has an axe to grind. Looks like urging people not to donate is in fact a right wing attack on Wikpedia - "The Daily Telegraph" of course being a Murdoch newspaper.

From the authors Wikpedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Orlowski

"Writing for The Daily Telegraph in May 2021, Orlowski said that the Wikimedia Foundation was "flush with cash" and passing money to the Tides Network, which he described as "a left-leaning dark money group"; he referred to Wikipedia as "Wokepedia" in an allusion to the term "woke".[24] In another article for The Daily Telegraph, in December 2021, Orlowski said the Wikimedia Foundation's urgent fundraising banners on Wikipedia were "preposterous" given that it held assets of $240 million and had a $100 million endowment, and the Wikimedia Foundation Deputy Director had said in 2013 that the Foundation could be sustainable on "$10M+ a year".[25] In August 2022, Orlowski claimed that Wikipedia had "become a tool of the Left in the battle to control the truth", referencing the recent controversy over Wikipedia's definition of a recession.[26]"

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3. fluori+Yg[view] [source] 2022-10-12 11:49:38
>>andrew+xc
>Looks like urging people not to donate is in fact a right wing attack on Wikpedia

That's muddying the waters. If Wikipedia has deceptive donation drives, then who reports it should be completely irrelevant.

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4. klelat+zi[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:00:41
>>fluori+Yg
It's relevant because he's not really disclosing his motivations. He clearly has other reasons for disliking wikipedia but he fails to disclose them in this article.
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5. Coasta+fo[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:38:49
>>klelat+zi
I think the GP's point is that the motivations aren't relevant. Nothing in our discussion hinges on, e.g., the author's trustworthiness.
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6. klelat+3p[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:44:07
>>Coasta+fo
So when an oil company writes a report on the viability of solar power then that doesn't affect how we should view the report?

His motivation absolutely affects how he reports on this issue. He's not a neutral observer and so he picks and chooses which facts he includes and puts his own spin around the issues.

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7. fluori+Rw[view] [source] 2022-10-12 13:22:39
>>klelat+3p
> So when an oil company writes a report on the viability of solar power then that doesn't affect how we should view the report?

But why do you think it does affect how you view the report? Because the company is likely to lie, right? So you should perhaps examine the report more carefully. But that has nothing to do with the report's factuality. It may affect how likely it is to be true, but once you've determined it to be one or the other, who reported it is completely irrelevant.

Likewise, if Wikipedia is in fact dishonest when it asks for donations, and you first heard that completely true fact from a Nazi, are you going to conclude that actually it was false all along? In other words, is your reality determined by the opposite of what your political adversaries say?

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8. klelat+0C[view] [source] 2022-10-12 13:46:18
>>fluori+Rw
The actually makes a very basic factual error.

> Indeed, in the 2012/13 year the Foundation budgeted for $1.9m to provide all its free information on tap.

$1.9m is was the capital expenditure budget for 2012/3 (ie cost of servers etc).

But I'm sure that his motivations had nothing to do with the fact that he found a conveniently small expense figure to mislead with.

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