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1. andrew+Ob[view] [source] 2022-10-12 11:09:15
>>nickpa+(OP)
Is this the same person who every now and then appears on HN utterly outraged by Wikipedia's fundraising?

I donate to Wikipedia.

And I am glad they have lots of money. I do not feel outraged about it, I feel happy about it.

I do not feel outraged that they use whatever persuasive tactics that they use - this is necessary in the modern world.

Wikipedia is a great service, it should be valued. They should not always be living close to the edge of going out of business. How they spend their funds raised is their business.

This anti Wikipedia person is really annoying and I wish they would stop their crusade.

EDIT: it seems the outraged guy is a right wing Murdoch journalist. Enough said, it all adds up. I still remember how Murdoch ran a successful campaign here in Australia to sink the planned national fibre to the home broadband network - 10 years down the track we never got our national fibre network. These guys hate tech, especially free information services like Wikipedia and national broadcasters like the ABC Australian Broadcasting Corporation - Murdoch wants to own it all and hates free.

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2. andrew+xc[view] [source] 2022-10-12 11:15:54
>>andrew+Ob
"Wokepedia". This guy certainly has an axe to grind. Looks like urging people not to donate is in fact a right wing attack on Wikpedia - "The Daily Telegraph" of course being a Murdoch newspaper.

From the authors Wikpedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Orlowski

"Writing for The Daily Telegraph in May 2021, Orlowski said that the Wikimedia Foundation was "flush with cash" and passing money to the Tides Network, which he described as "a left-leaning dark money group"; he referred to Wikipedia as "Wokepedia" in an allusion to the term "woke".[24] In another article for The Daily Telegraph, in December 2021, Orlowski said the Wikimedia Foundation's urgent fundraising banners on Wikipedia were "preposterous" given that it held assets of $240 million and had a $100 million endowment, and the Wikimedia Foundation Deputy Director had said in 2013 that the Foundation could be sustainable on "$10M+ a year".[25] In August 2022, Orlowski claimed that Wikipedia had "become a tool of the Left in the battle to control the truth", referencing the recent controversy over Wikipedia's definition of a recession.[26]"

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3. fluori+Yg[view] [source] 2022-10-12 11:49:38
>>andrew+xc
>Looks like urging people not to donate is in fact a right wing attack on Wikpedia

That's muddying the waters. If Wikipedia has deceptive donation drives, then who reports it should be completely irrelevant.

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4. klelat+zi[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:00:41
>>fluori+Yg
It's relevant because he's not really disclosing his motivations. He clearly has other reasons for disliking wikipedia but he fails to disclose them in this article.
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5. Turing+el[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:19:24
>>klelat+zi
If he's presenting a factual summary of what's going on, his "motivations" are irrelevant.

If he's not presenting a factual summary of what's going on, his "motivations" are likewise irrelevant.

If you can refute his claims, by all means do so, but vague ad hominems don't impress me.

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6. klelat+Mn[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:35:44
>>Turing+el
Not sure why accurately reporting his track record of attacking Wikimedia with a clear - and self admitted - right wing bias is a 'vague ad hominem'.
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7. Turing+2p[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:44:05
>>klelat+Mn
His "track record" has nothing to do with whether his claims are true, either.

Either his claims are factual, or they aren't.

If they are not factual, they should be refuted, but appealing to his "motivations" or "track record" is not a refutation. It is an ad hominem attack, i.e., a logical fallacy.

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8. klelat+Cp[view] [source] 2022-10-12 12:47:44
>>Turing+2p
No one has said it's a refutation but it's entirely relevant and not an ad hominem at all - unless you think that his record is something to be ashamed of?

As I said above:

> So when an oil company writes a report on the viability of solar power then that doesn't affect how we should view the report?

> His motivation absolutely affects how he reports on this issue. He's not a neutral observer and so he picks and chooses which facts he includes and puts his own spin around the issues.

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9. Turing+Qs[view] [source] 2022-10-12 13:04:01
>>klelat+Cp
The point in contention appears to be whether or not Wikipedia funnels donations to left-wing causes.

The truth of that claim has no causal relationship with his opinions. I mean, obviously someone who disagrees with funneling donations to left-wing causes would be more likely to complain about it, or even possibly make something up. But that in itself has no bearing on whether the claim is actually true.

Does Wikipedia funnel donations to left-wing causes or not?

You have presented no evidence one way or the other. Instead, you have attacked his "motivations" and "track record". That is a textbook ad hominem.

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10. klelat+qv[view] [source] 2022-10-12 13:16:39
>>Turing+Qs
> The point in contention appears to be whether or not Wikipedia funnels donations to left-wing causes.

Did you actually read the article? This point is not made anywhere in the article.

No point in discussing this further.

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