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1. kweing+O7[view] [source] 2022-10-02 15:10:51
>>rvz+(OP)
Classic Linus.

From the closing paragraph, I feel like he’s under the impression that Rust-advocating contributors are putting Rust’s interests (e.g. “legitimizing it” by getting it in the kernel) above the kernel itself.

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2. sidlls+2a[view] [source] 2022-10-02 15:24:45
>>kweing+O7
They probably are, in many cases. Rust’s community, in aggregate, have developed a reputation (earned, in my opinion). It’s too bad that the community don’t follow the leaders’ example in this regard. There are some quality, level-headed Rust advocates. They appear to be the minority.
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3. mustac+1e[view] [source] 2022-10-02 15:46:54
>>sidlls+2a
At least they don't go around slandering programming language communities.

If we're going to be serious about who is being toxic, it's definitely Linus in this thread. Guy makes first mistake (by a very broad interpretation of "mistake". Perhaps "misunderstanding"?). Linus goes nuclear. And while his reasoning is sound, his argumentation cycles between threats, bad-faith arguments, and just plain old yelling.

What some people don't understand is that the Linux kernel isn't 'led' in any meaningful sense. But I suppose some projects don't need actual leadership? I once was recommended a Metallica documentary, because "It's amusing to see what emotionally stunted 40-50 year olds who have never had anyone tell them 'No' since 18 will do." That's the Linus vibe -- somehow we've limped along to here. Seriously, read the rust/rust-lang issues/RFCs. Those people sound like grownups contrasted to this.

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4. kweing+7g[view] [source] 2022-10-02 15:59:24
>>mustac+1e
> At least they don't go around slandering programming language communities.

Not so sure about this. I see a good amount of acrimony toward C, C++, Go, Zig, etc. from the Rust side.

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5. mustac+hh[view] [source] 2022-10-02 16:05:53
>>kweing+7g
I think "acrimony" among languages (not language communities) is fine, like "you don't have an Option type?" or "you don't guarantee I won't have a use after free?". I think saying the "The Go/Rust/Zig community is uniquely toxic" crosses a line. And, to be very clear, if Rust people do it, I think it's awful as well.
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6. sidlls+Kp[view] [source] 2022-10-02 16:48:48
>>mustac+hh
It’s not unique to Rust’s community at all. I think they have relatively more visibility in places like HN, currently.
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