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>>xd+(OP)
I realise she has just died and it's unbecoming to do anything but laud the person, but this is just moral obsequiousness.

She claims fealty by right of blood, reigned as the crown of an extraordinarily cruel empire, and frequently interceded in the democratic government of Britain to protect her private interests.

>>Emma_G+wd
> reigned as the crown of an extraordinarily cruel empire

Queen Elizabeth presided over its dismantlement. No famines occurred during her reign and no rebellions violently suppressed.

The Empire was cruel, but it's unfair to wash her with the cloth of empire.

>>dijit+Oh
Have you heard of The Troubles?

>>JAlexo+wj
In British minds, Ireland is not "empire" as much as a backyard they feel naturally entitled to.

>>toyg+yl
That’s unfair to the vast majority of Brit’s.

Scots, welsh, the entire north of England, the working class all don’t feel that way.

If fact there’s probably only a small percentage of traditional elites who feel that way.

>>jamiek+ft
In public discourse, that mindset is still mainstream. Ireland is a "home nation", not "empire".

> there’s probably only a small percentage of traditional elites who feel that way.

The way Ireland was publicly handled after 2016 shows that "small percentage" is still firmly in power, and winning solid majorities.

>>toyg+yP1
What the hell are you talking about? This mindset is not remotely "mainstream". I've never once in my life heard anyone talk about Ireland as if it's a place that the UK still owns or feels entitled to.

> The way Ireland was publicly handled after 2016

Do you mean Northern Ireland? Northern Ireland is a different country from Ireland, and as far as I'm aware the reason it's still part of the UK is because a solid majority of its citizens want to be part of the UK, not because it's been imposed on them from outside.