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1. simons+94[view] [source] 2022-09-08 17:48:59
>>xd+(OP)
Winston Churchill (1951–55)

Anthony Eden (1955–57)

Harold Macmillan (1957–63)

Alec Douglas-Home (1963–64)

Harold Wilson (1964–70)

Edward Heath (1970–74)

Harold Wilson (1974–76)

James Callaghan (1976–79)

Margaret Thatcher (1979–90)

John Major (1990–97)

Tony Blair (1997–07)

Gordon Brown (2007–10)

David Cameron (2010–16)

Theresa May (2016–19)

Boris Johnson (2019–22)

Liz Truss (2022 (two days ago) - current)

Quite the reign! Can't help but feel a bit sad really.

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2. Terret+Z9[view] [source] 2022-09-08 18:08:20
>>simons+94
Put another way, her Prime Ministers saw the world from 1874 - 2022, nearly 150 years.
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3. huhten+Ng[view] [source] 2022-09-08 18:29:54
>>Terret+Z9
> her Prime Ministers

I suspect that you don't realize how bizarre this phrasing is for the vast majority of the world.

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4. amache+Ny[view] [source] 2022-09-08 19:42:51
>>huhten+Ng
That is not true.

There are many countries in the world who run different system of governments, and many as doing it quite successfully.

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5. huhten+yN[view] [source] 2022-09-08 20:49:18
>>amache+Ny
What is not true?

That phrase implies that she had PMs subservient to her. That's not how the UK monarchy is generally explained, at least not outside of the UK.

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6. SllX+g41[view] [source] 2022-09-08 22:35:21
>>huhten+yN
Under her reign it was Her Majesty’s government and she took an active role in it that wasn’t publicly visible. Laws did not take effect without her assent, and the government formed with her permission which was asked for.

Under Charles III’s reign, it will be His Majesty’s government; how actively he takes an interest in its affairs will be on him, but at a minimum laws will not take effect without his assent and his permission will be asked for to form future governments.

That’s the system of the United Kingdom. It never stopped being a Kingdom, people just chose to view the late Queen as ceremonial because it was a convenient way to square the Throne with democratic ideals, but it really isn’t all that ceremonial. The reason the customs held fast is because Queen Elizabeth II worked to make the system work. A different sort of Queen may have sparked a constitutional crisis or two by now and there’s no guarantee she would have necessarily lost to the Commons.

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7. jesusc+yF1[view] [source] 2022-09-09 04:19:57
>>SllX+g41
laws will not take effect without his assent and his permission will be asked for to form future governments

Wait, you mean to tell me the King can veto laws in the UK? I thought you guys figured this loophole out? Who controls the military?

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8. SllX+QR1[view] [source] 2022-09-09 06:36:42
>>jesusc+yF1
Small correction: not “you guys” because I’m not British, just an observant American that took a serious interest in the functioning of foreign governments as a lens through which to evaluate our own.

The functions and powers of our Presidency are a much closer derivative of the British monarchy than we tell ourselves in our classrooms. The President signing bills into law is a copy of the requisite assent of the monarchy. Political appointments were a copy of how the King vested power, and as you guessed it, the King is the Head of the British Armed Forces.

Also I think even British folks are undersold on how powerful the late Queen really was. She may not have vetoed any legislation, but her Prime Ministers sought and received her advice regularly, consulting with her and unburdening themselves to her the problems they were faced with or tasked with resolving. Put another way, she was an active participant in how laws were formed and the business of Her Majesty’s governments proceeded even if she did not participate in the drafting of the texts or have any policy objectives per se. That isn’t ceremonial at all, although many of her duties as Queen and Defender of the Faith were ceremonial.

In America we celebrate the separation of powers, telling ourselves a few myths along the way about the co-equality of branches (essentially Nixon era propaganda from when he was facing down the gun barrel of impeachment, but Congress adopted the myth despite being head and shoulders the most powerful branch of Government under the Constitution). The King-in-Parliament—or under the late Queen, the Queen-in-Parliament—is absolute power in the United Kingdom and no one may question their directives because this is King, Lords and Commons speaking as one. Their power as one body is what we separated into the President, Senate, Representatives and Supreme Court. We then limited it further by conceiving of powers as enumerated, although clearly this was insufficient as a power limiter.

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