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1. PaulDa+db[view] [source] 2022-09-08 18:12:41
>>xd+(OP)
I was born in the UK, in 1963. Because of my step-father's love of first-wave UK punk, the first thing I did on hearing this news was to play the Sex Pistol's "God Save the Queen".

It is remarkable how much the Queen's standing has improved during the time since that song (1977). My (UK) family are (as far as I know) staunch republicans, but the last couple of decades have seen all of us soften our disgust with the monarchy as Elizabeth represented it. We might still want the whole concept destroyed, but there is nothing close to the vehemence of Johnny Rotten (Lydon)'s lyrics from that song.

Nevertheless, that is how a bunch of people felt in 1977, and as our memories become even more gilded and rose goggled now that she has died, it may be worth remembering those feelings too:

God save the queen / The fascist regime / They made you a moron / A potential H bomb / God save the queen / She's not a human being / and There's no future / And England's dreaming

These days, I think even us staunch republicans/anti-monarchists would begrudgingly admit that "She could have been worse" and that she actually was a human being.

Maybe Charles will have the guts to end it all, but it doesn't seem likely.

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2. mabil+kJ[view] [source] 2022-09-08 20:29:08
>>PaulDa+db
> We might still want the whole concept destroyed

I am not well versed about republic vs. monarchy apart from my limited experience, which might be more than many people, but not as valuable as someone that have studied that and can pitch in. Coming from BR, have lived in AU, NZ, and UK, and traveled a lot, I would take monarchy over a republic any day, extrapolating on that, and just looking at the current state of affairs of republic countries vs the ones coming from monarchy, which ones look in a better state, and makes you want to move to, live in and raise your family?

And mad props to UK for keeping --relatively to others-- really well so far.

Thank you and Rest in Peace.

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3. movedx+CO[view] [source] 2022-09-08 20:56:08
>>mabil+kJ
Well said.

Look at the HDI: https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/human-development-index#/in...

Look at the top ten countries. How many are a constitutional monarchy? Which of them would you rather live in? :-)

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4. fsloth+mY[view] [source] 2022-09-08 21:55:01
>>movedx+CO
I think monarchy is irrelevant for HDI and the correlation is more about long term political stability rather than better politics. My country (Finland) could have been a monarchy but ended up not being so. I can’t imagine what could be better with a monarch.
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5. green_+e01[view] [source] 2022-09-08 22:06:47
>>fsloth+mY
Presumably, a life-long monarch would enhance political stability.
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6. pavlov+K41[view] [source] 2022-09-08 22:37:49
>>green_+e01
In Finland, already one of the most politically stable countries in the world?

There’s no discernible difference on this count between Finland and its Nordic peers that are constitutional monarchies.

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