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1. maram+0m[view] [source] 2022-08-29 14:54:38
>>todsac+(OP)
“Garry Tan is a moral canary in a coal mine. When people hate on Garry Tan, they out themselves as either evil or stupid, because in fact Garry is as close to a 100% good guy as you get”. —Paul Graham https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1460931338131890180 ————

Congratulations Garry! Your blogs were my inspirations when I was running my startup. I always remember this line:

“The ideal startup team involves really two major roles — builder, and hustler. I used to say it took three roles (designer, engineer, hustler).....In reality, I think designer / engineer can be abstracted to builder”.

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2. stakku+Ir[view] [source] 2022-08-29 15:25:36
>>maram+0m
I have no strong opinion of Tan, but calling a person who happily worked for (and profited from) Palantir a 'moral canary in a coal mine' seems a bit of a stretch.
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3. LewisV+Bs[view] [source] 2022-08-29 15:30:52
>>stakku+Ir
Tan worked at Palantir prior to 2007, so if you’re blaming him for Palantir’s work with ICE then…

> they out themselves as either evil or stupid

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4. stakku+Ox[view] [source] 2022-08-29 16:00:22
>>LewisV+Bs
Based only on your comment, I'm guessing you're unaware of Palantir's work with intelligence agencies even when Tan was there. Also, Thiel's mission from the start was this kind of work.

I served in the Marine Corps. I've had some exposure to Palantir's 'offerings'. It's a fucking nightmare of a company, morally and ethically, and it always has been.

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5. system+eD[view] [source] 2022-08-29 16:27:58
>>stakku+Ox
I've studied Thiel, he's just not mainstream left. If you want to listen to him with good faith, I enjoyed this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM9f0W2KD5s

Doesn't come across evil to me unless by evil you mean just not mainstream left, which might be the correct in the valley.

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6. chx+UQ[view] [source] 2022-08-29 17:30:08
>>system+eD
Not "mainstream left"? I guess the right, what was once the far right but today is just the right is indeed not "mainstream left". Make no mistake where he stands: he was one of the largest donors of Trump, served on his transitional team and has once written "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible".

https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

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7. system+LX[view] [source] 2022-08-29 18:05:51
>>chx+UQ
There were hundreds of doners to Donald Trump's 2020 campaign, let alone 2016 campaign. If not directly, then through other superPACS including FAANG companies [1].

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-tr...

If your viewpoint is so myopically constrained by a single data point, I don't know what to say.

I find intellectuals from all corners of political spectrum to be interesting. Usually, when people dismiss intellectuals not for their arguments, but by some ostensible thinly veiled morality or the media zeitgeist; it is already an indicator that something interesting is out there. Anyways, all I am saying is that Peter is not evil in any stretch of the definition as the media portrays him. He is just not your typical conformist thinker.

[1] They only paused after Jan 6th, they were happily donating to both parties: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-corporate-go...

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8. wahnfr+A11[view] [source] 2022-08-29 18:23:28
>>system+LX
you talk about donating to "both sides" however dems are also a conservative party and hardly a "leftist" organization, your point is not as strong as you make it seem
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9. system+X11[view] [source] 2022-08-29 18:25:13
>>wahnfr+A11
I am addressing "mainstream left" and honestly, the main point of contention is that we should debate about Peter Thiel, but calling him evil is wrong and extremely misinformed.
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10. chx+Uw1[view] [source] 2022-08-29 21:08:19
>>system+X11
It is neither wrong nor is it misinformed.

Do you remember why Thiel invested in Confinity which became PayPal? Because he thought a digital wallet could lead to “the erosion of the nation-state”. If it's not self evident to you why that's a bad thing perhaps read https://eand.co/how-america-collapsed-and-became-a-fourth-wo...

Max Chafkin argues that Thiel “has been responsible for creating the ideology that has come to define Silicon Valley: that technological progress should be pursued relentlessly—with little, if any, regard for potential costs or dangers to society.” continued with “Palantir, his second company, popularized the concept of data mining after 9/11 and paved the way for what critics of the technology call surveillance capitalism”.

And of course there was gawker. No, what gawker did was not right but Thiel's reaction was not right either. That's some straight up vigilante BS.

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11. system+u02[view] [source] 2022-08-30 00:46:43
>>chx+Uw1
I disagree with Max Chafkin, I've watched probably every single Thiel interview (there is a Spotify podcast of collection of his interviews) and I do not share whoever this Max Chafkin guy is.

If you want a proper critique of Thiel, proper as in properly sourced/researched, not opinions of what someone has made up in their mind: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right...

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