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1. torbTu+ng[view] [source] 2022-06-02 20:16:48
>>RBBron+(OP)
“These are some of the most sincere, honest, and heroic people I’ve ever met.”

Yeah, I think we’re too hard as a nation on ex-cons. But they’re not heroes because they went through self-imposed hardships (and almost always at the expense of someone innocent). And they’re certainly among the lower rungs of honesty by categorization. Nowhere near the top.

If this sounds harsh, just act their victims.

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2. giraff+Um[view] [source] 2022-06-02 20:55:38
>>torbTu+ng
fuck offffff seriously.

The hardships aren't self-imposed, our justice system is specifically and intentionally retributive, imposing punishment for its own sake rather than imposing consequences with the goal of rehabilitation. And we're talking here of additional ad-hoc social punishments beyond the terms of the sentence that make finding a job harder.

The level of personal discipline it takes to get released and stay "good" on probation is far beyond what we expect from workers in general and almost certainly stricter than either of us requires for ourselves. The level of humility and, frankly, debasement it takes to find a willing employer with a felony conviction is if not heroic at least saintly.

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3. Jiro+7I[view] [source] 2022-06-02 23:05:49
>>giraff+Um
You might argue that the hardships imposed by the justice system aren't self-imposed. But this was about hiring criminals. Aside from certain special cases (like laws which prohibit hiring felons for certain jobs). any hardship that results because someone won't hire the criminal is self-imposed; the criminal's own actions are why potential employers don't trust him.
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