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1. Aspara+M7[view] [source] 2022-05-19 07:22:31
>>donsup+(OP)
They’re just one of several shiny fintech apps/websites running the same scam, a modern two-and-twenty on a ponzi — but with really nice UI.

Alice (alice.co / @alice_finance) is another prominent one that may have lost customer funds, which was also using the Anchor protocol. It’s unclear how much they lost, but it’s interesting that Do Kwon’s name is still an actual logo listed on their home page.

And Vertex Protocol (vertexprotocol.com / @vertex_protocol) recently raised $8.5m to launch a trading platform based on the Anchor protocol, but because their Phase 1 beta had just closed and the open launch was not planned until this summer, it looks like they may have just barely dodged the bullet?

What I’m really curious about are the new and (of course) unregulated “insurance” products meant to cover catastrophic crypto depegs, as happened to Terra/Luna. Unslashed (https://app.unslashed.finance/cover) is supposed to kick in after fourteen days, I believe. We’re not quite there yet, it’s barely a week so far. But I’m sure with this kind of implied loss reserves, it’ll be fine…

https://mobile.twitter.com/CurveFinance/status/1416392630754...

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2. josu+Ed[view] [source] 2022-05-19 08:24:31
>>Aspara+M7
I publicly called out LUNA/UST on Twitter a few times a few months before the collapse [0] [1]. Just stating this so it's clear that I don't have any interest defending them.

That being said, calling these platforms "ponzis" isn't correct, the most you can say is that they were front ends for a ponzi. It would be like setting up a front-end to receive investments, and then depositing the money with Madoff. I'm not saying that it is a legitimate business, just not a ponzi.

And I'm not defending these companies either, a very light DD [2] made it obvious that the LUNA-UST mechanism was broken and the collapse was inevitable. It's really messed up that they put clients' money at risk, and that they lost it. I also think that YC is somewhat responsible for this.

What makes the situation even worse is that the collapse didn't happen from one day to the next, they actually had time to pull the money out at a 0.5%-5% loss, but they still decided to wait and see if it would repeg.

[0] https://twitter.com/josusanmartin/status/1478185473499615233

[1] https://twitter.com/josusanmartin/status/1478188494463848448

[2] This DD took me less than 1 hour: https://twitter.com/josusanmartin/status/1524323026942242818

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3. kgwgk+Rp[view] [source] 2022-05-19 10:40:20
>>josu+Ed
It wasn’t so obvious for some people…

https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=697248

https://medium.com/terra-money/have-you-met-marco-216ca2a8b9...

https://assets.website-files.com/611153e7af981472d8da199c/61...

https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amaz...

Why did you decide to join Terra?

I thought Terra provided the perfect environment to apply what I learned in my research. Ensuring the stability of a digital currency closely resembled the issues faced by central banks in deciding monetary policy measures, while the lessons learned in studying trading in the equity and bond markets are crucial in guarding against potential manipulation by malicious market participants.

What do you think are Terra’s strengths compared to other blockchain projects or potential competitors?

There are several, but I will mention just three. First, there is no improvisation. In fact, our strong research team stays grounded and informed by the latest research in economics and finance, devoting a lot of attention in making sure that Terra’s ecosystem remains stable. Second, top eCommerce companies in Asia are pushing for Terra’s adoption, ensuring that Terra will be widely used from the start. Finally, the team is composed by a diverse and uniquely qualified set of people that are excited to collaborate in solving one of the most exciting challenges of our time.

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4. IMTDb+rr[view] [source] 2022-05-19 11:00:17
>>kgwgk+Rp
Those 3 reasons can be summarised as : "We are a bunch of excited 20yo who think they know better than everyone else and we have received pinky swear promises from shady asian websites, so we are definitely going to be rich, trust us ! xoxo"
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5. kgwgk+ht[view] [source] 2022-05-19 11:18:32
>>IMTDb+rr
That guy is at least 35 but he surely compensates the old age with lots of enthusiasm. After all, you don’t get a chair of royal garments innovation by pointing out that the king is naked.
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6. webmav+x44[view] [source] 2022-05-20 13:08:37
>>kgwgk+ht
Just so you know, referring to 35 as "old age" isn't cool. At all.

Sincerely, an old fart who hasn't seen 35 in the rearview mirror for a while now.

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7. kgwgk+VT4[view] [source] 2022-05-20 17:02:24
>>webmav+x44
I was replying to a comment about “a bunch of excited 20y”.

For what it’s worth, I was also 35 once.

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8. webmav+866[view] [source] 2022-05-21 02:05:53
>>kgwgk+VT4
Duly noted.

Hopefully you're not referring to a past life.

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9. kgwgk+So6[view] [source] 2022-05-21 06:52:34
>>webmav+866
Definitely 35 are no longer in my future!
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