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1. nootro+p8[view] [source] 2022-05-19 07:28:24
>>donsup+(OP)
The whole idea was to become a middleman to a ponzi scheme and charge a performance fee.

They described what they are doing in their documentation, but the core ethical problem here is that the only users that would use their service are those incapable of understanding how UST/Terra worked, because anyone capable of understanding would just deposit funds directly and get higher APR for the same risk! Extremely predatory.

UST fooled many ...not very bright people who genuinely didn't realize it's a ponzi scheme - but obviously smart and technically proficient founders of Stablegains' have no such excuse. Zero room for doubt - they fully knew it's certain to collapse eventually, banking on their legal terms to protect them from liability while privately profiting as long as it works.

Founders of Stablegains belong in prison and everything they own should be confiscated and divided among victims. Sadly they are probably safe - as knowing the inevitability of collapse they must have felt their legalese to be ironclad.

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2. Terr_+8d[view] [source] 2022-05-19 08:18:27
>>nootro+p8
By definition, a Ponzi scheme involves some kind of reporting fraud where you're being lied-to about how your investment was converted and how much of that converted asset there is.

I'm not saying these aren't some other kind of scam but lots of people use "Ponzi" as if it meant any kind of scam... And generally speaking "how many thingy-coins do I own" is the one thing cryptocurrencies focus on making very difficult.

TLDR: Everybody overuses "Ponzi" and it annoys me.

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3. nootro+kl[view] [source] 2022-05-19 09:48:06
>>Terr_+8d
Fraud logically can't be part of the mechanism of a ponzi scheme itself. A ponzi scheme is any financial scheme where old investors are paid exclusively by new investors, and without new investments the system doesn't generate any income at all. There are many different variations.

Lying about source of potential gains concerns marketing of it - which is something external and done by humans, and not part of the internal distribution of money flows. How can an algorithm itself commit fraud? It can't.

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