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1. perard+n3[view] [source] 2022-05-17 14:41:05
>>erohea+(OP)
“matching size and design of iPhone 13 Mini”

So, by all accounts, the iPhone mini has been an extremely slow seller.

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...

Why would that form factor succeed in the Android space?

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I see these meme on tech sites all the time: “oh phones are too big I just want something simple”. That is a valid sentiment that I think is shared by basically no average consumer. For a lot of people, phones are their primary computing devices, so a big screen is nice there. Bigger phones allow for more battery capacity. Aging populations like them because you can use screen zoom features to really blow up that text size without making the effective viewport too small.

And…people just like big stuff. I know that’s simplistic and a little condescending, but then look at SUV and truck sales.

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2. izacus+m9[view] [source] 2022-05-17 15:04:04
>>perard+n3
These "slow iPhone 13 mini" sales are more than all Google Pixel phones sold in a year. Think about that.

I don't understand when did the ability to choose a product fitting your preferences become a bad thing on HackerNews and modern American perception. Why is being able to buy niche products somehow not a worthy thing to be desired?

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3. reaper+5e[view] [source] 2022-05-17 15:23:01
>>izacus+m9
I don't understand when did the ability to choose a product fitting your preferences become a bad thing on HackerNews

Because so many on HN have been indoctrinated into the "scale at all costs" mentality.

It demonstrates the difference between HN and the real world.

On HN, if you can't serve a billion people, your product is niche. In the real world, billions of people earn a very nice living making niche products.

It's why so many people on HN don't understand Panic, or its PlayDate. They don't understand artisan anything. They've forgotten the whole hipster movement, which still exists in pockets of the world. They can't grok that there are companies that have been in business for hundreds of years making products one at a time — by hand.

"X doesn't scale" is HN for "I know nothing about how the world works."

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4. cortes+ik[view] [source] 2022-05-17 15:49:42
>>reaper+5e
> In the real world, billions of people earn a very nice living making niche products.

But rarely something as expensive to create as a smart phone.

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5. izacus+dz[view] [source] 2022-05-17 16:52:47
>>cortes+ik
Really? Because things like cabriolet cars, speciality cars, high-end audio equipment, luxury furniture and many others exist.

If anything, mobile phone market is exceedingly horrible because of consolidation into a single product with not much choice.

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6. cortes+vD[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:12:47
>>izacus+dz
Maybe we could have a market for very high end phones that cost $3000, but I haven't seen anyone try to fill that niche yet. Maybe it isn't there?

Even if it was there, that doesn't mean the phone would be small. People who want small phones aren't necessarily wealthy, so they would only be going after the market for the intersection of 'wealthy + want small phone'... which might be a very small market and not worth pursuing.

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7. a4isms+fJ[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:40:29
>>cortes+vD
That market absolutely exists, and a few people have tried to serve it over the years. Here's an old example, a Samsung phone promoted by Jackie Chan that cost about $3,000 back in 2012:

https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-sch-w2013-jackie-ch...

And in 2018, One Plus had a $3,000 phone:

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/this-3000-oneplus-6-is-the-...

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8. bee_ri+H31[view] [source] 2022-05-17 19:25:16
>>a4isms+fJ
I think this is not exactly what GP was talking about. These are normal phones with an expensive marketing gimmick.

The "RED Hydrogen One," by that fancy camera company is closer I think. At least it had some story that could hypothetically have ended with a compelling technological reason for it to exist (RED is supposed to know cameras). Although, it didn't seem to work out either, but with a sample size of 1 it could be a fluke of poor execution.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/red-quits-the-smartp...

I'm surprised none of the really consumer-oriented camera companies have broken into smartphones. Camera stuff seems like more of a selling point for smartphones, than phone stuff. But, it seems like they never really want to dive in fully.

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9. Tijdre+6m1[view] [source] 2022-05-17 21:18:39
>>bee_ri+H31
Leica tried making one in Japan, but apparently camera cameras and smartphone cameras are somewhat different beasts.

I enjoyed MrMobile's review: https://youtu.be/skIgG8q_lKs

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10. bee_ri+ms1[view] [source] 2022-05-17 21:59:43
>>Tijdre+6m1
Yeah, this came up when I was looking around. I'd call it a case of not diving in fully. Since it is really just a rebrand of a phone from some other company (albeit one for which they provided the optics).
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