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1. perard+n3[view] [source] 2022-05-17 14:41:05
>>erohea+(OP)
“matching size and design of iPhone 13 Mini”

So, by all accounts, the iPhone mini has been an extremely slow seller.

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...

Why would that form factor succeed in the Android space?

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I see these meme on tech sites all the time: “oh phones are too big I just want something simple”. That is a valid sentiment that I think is shared by basically no average consumer. For a lot of people, phones are their primary computing devices, so a big screen is nice there. Bigger phones allow for more battery capacity. Aging populations like them because you can use screen zoom features to really blow up that text size without making the effective viewport too small.

And…people just like big stuff. I know that’s simplistic and a little condescending, but then look at SUV and truck sales.

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2. izacus+m9[view] [source] 2022-05-17 15:04:04
>>perard+n3
These "slow iPhone 13 mini" sales are more than all Google Pixel phones sold in a year. Think about that.

I don't understand when did the ability to choose a product fitting your preferences become a bad thing on HackerNews and modern American perception. Why is being able to buy niche products somehow not a worthy thing to be desired?

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3. reaper+5e[view] [source] 2022-05-17 15:23:01
>>izacus+m9
I don't understand when did the ability to choose a product fitting your preferences become a bad thing on HackerNews

Because so many on HN have been indoctrinated into the "scale at all costs" mentality.

It demonstrates the difference between HN and the real world.

On HN, if you can't serve a billion people, your product is niche. In the real world, billions of people earn a very nice living making niche products.

It's why so many people on HN don't understand Panic, or its PlayDate. They don't understand artisan anything. They've forgotten the whole hipster movement, which still exists in pockets of the world. They can't grok that there are companies that have been in business for hundreds of years making products one at a time — by hand.

"X doesn't scale" is HN for "I know nothing about how the world works."

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4. cortes+ik[view] [source] 2022-05-17 15:49:42
>>reaper+5e
> In the real world, billions of people earn a very nice living making niche products.

But rarely something as expensive to create as a smart phone.

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5. izacus+dz[view] [source] 2022-05-17 16:52:47
>>cortes+ik
Really? Because things like cabriolet cars, speciality cars, high-end audio equipment, luxury furniture and many others exist.

If anything, mobile phone market is exceedingly horrible because of consolidation into a single product with not much choice.

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6. cortes+vD[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:12:47
>>izacus+dz
Maybe we could have a market for very high end phones that cost $3000, but I haven't seen anyone try to fill that niche yet. Maybe it isn't there?

Even if it was there, that doesn't mean the phone would be small. People who want small phones aren't necessarily wealthy, so they would only be going after the market for the intersection of 'wealthy + want small phone'... which might be a very small market and not worth pursuing.

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7. a4isms+fJ[view] [source] 2022-05-17 17:40:29
>>cortes+vD
That market absolutely exists, and a few people have tried to serve it over the years. Here's an old example, a Samsung phone promoted by Jackie Chan that cost about $3,000 back in 2012:

https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-sch-w2013-jackie-ch...

And in 2018, One Plus had a $3,000 phone:

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/this-3000-oneplus-6-is-the-...

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8. shadow+hV[view] [source] 2022-05-17 18:37:46
>>a4isms+fJ
The fact that none of these still exist proves that there is no market. It does prove that companies tried to see if there is one.
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9. a4isms+z41[view] [source] 2022-05-17 19:30:00
>>shadow+hV
I'd be very careful about suggesting that failure proves there is no market for something.

Many PC companies failed before Apple succeeded. Apple itself failed to the point of almost being acquired by Sun before succeeding by buying NeXT and shipping some hit products in the form of colourful iMacs and iPods with click-wheels.

The biggest problem with luxury products is that they have almost nothing to do with the product's tangible features and everything to do with whether you can establish a valuable brand. We live in a world where people spend thousands of dollars on fancy numbers that we have a kind of gentleman's agreement signify that they "own" a jpeg anyone can copy.

I suggest that there is absolutely a market for ridiculously priced phones, but the problem is not hand-crafting a phone with rare materials, the problem is creating the collective hallucination that owning such a phone will make other people envy you.

Apple actually sold some solid gold watches. There was a market for a $18,000 Apple Watch. It wasn't something worth sustaining in perpetuity, but there was a market. They also launched ridiculously priced accessories from Hermes, and there is still a market for them almost a decade later.

People will pay large amounts of money for exclusive items, but it takes a particular set of skills to launch something and convince the world it's the must-have accessory of the moment.

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