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1. laserb+aI[view] [source] 2021-11-11 05:43:42
>>lxm+(OP)
I was really hoping this is a decent article about what some teacher or school did about the problem. It starts like that but then it goes kablookie...

So, a certain Joshua Moreno is fed up with the system and did something about that, 2 paragraphs. GREAT. Then the rest of the entire article is about institutionalized racism and how the current system fails us. At no point do we get a good example about what mr Moreno did, only what he moved away from. This is horrible confusing writing.

I'm sorry but this is absolute click bait garbage. I AGREE with the fact that there is institutionalized racism and I aplaud work to reduce that. But this article is misleading, and confusing, and poorly written. There's no concrete idea in it that we could debate here on HN. If there is, someone would have to rewrite and state it clearly.

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2. Lhiw+iL[view] [source] 2021-11-11 06:18:03
>>laserb+aI
Why do you have to agree there is institutional racism in schools to think this is garbage writing?

Worried you'll get called a racist for suggesting an anti racist is wrong?

Actually on topic though, Asia is laughing at us.

Removing homework and grading? Because "racism"?

You shouldn't be penalizing well off people (white or not) with worse schooling because some lower class students (black or not) dont have enough time to study after school.

What you should be doing is figuring out how to not penalize those with less opportunity to ensure they can either catch up or at least not fall behind.

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3. wwilim+iN[view] [source] 2021-11-11 06:44:07
>>Lhiw+iL
How is this penalizing well-off students? By making it harder to automatically get ahead in education just because your poor classmates are sliding off the slippery slope of a negative feedback loop? I wouldn't call it penalizing.
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4. laserb+RP[view] [source] 2021-11-11 07:12:35
>>wwilim+iN
This is actually a fun thing to talk about, but an HN thread is insufficient. There are schools and countries out there who focus more on excellence and cater to the top students. They put a ton of effort and praise on the top % with contests, a dense curriculum. I think most of eastern Europe, possibly Russia and likely a lot of other places fall into this category. On the other side, you have places like Scandinavia where the curriculum is less dense, and teachers focus on getting everyone above a lower knowledge threshold.

It's a great topic to research if you want to actually improve the education system. Go have fun reading and learning about it, the more you understand about the tradeoffs of these approaches, the better! But that's clearly not what the author of the article, or the commenter referred to. _sigh_

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5. bennys+fS[view] [source] 2021-11-11 07:39:32
>>laserb+RP
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/dec/30/no-excuses...

This school takes really deprived kids and gives them a great education. But it gets a lot of grief.

Edit it's an old article I believe they now have ex students attending Oxford and Cambridge.

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6. orwin+Wc1[view] [source] 2021-11-11 11:09:08
>>bennys+fS
From the article: “In other schools that would never happen. You’d never see a teacher ask a pupil to pick up a grape, because they’d go mad.”

If this sentence is true, i'd worry about education in your country. And if the bullying bit is also true, it's even worse. And i fail to see how "same punishment for everything, no matter how small" is a good thing to enforce. It's lazy for the teachers and a very poor habit and thought process to teach.

No, honestly. I've taught children, schooled, homeschooled, sometime at a youth camp, sometime on perischolar activities; i'm pretty sure i've taught better habits in hours than this school can do in years. I mean, if you want button-pushers, this school sounds great, i'd rather have the children i teach understand why they are learning, how they can learn more, and how safely do stupid experiments, like my some of my math, chemistry, physics and history teachers did.

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