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>>WaitWa+(OP)
My wife got flagged as an extremist and started getting notices from Facebook yesterday every time she logged in.

Which I mean, my wife believes that the government using the threat of violence to collect taxes is immoral, unethical, and that all transactions between all individuals should be voluntary and nonviolent. Which in terms of popular discourse, is very "extreme". She was thinking about running for local public office an a platform of "the government will not take away your propery for failure to pay taxes" which a surprising number of local people on Facebook supported. She's been going to Meetups and having people say "oh yeah I saw your meme, the government sucks, keep it up!" She bugs local politicans on Facebook, their ads keep popping up in her feed, so she'll ask them things like "do you think it's moral to seize someone's property when they can't pay their taxes?" which of course gets bullshit nonanswers from politicians. Nobody wants to say "I think it's moral to seize someone's house because they're behind on taxes".

An authoritarian government wouldn't like someone like my wife, and they certainly wouldn't want her getting likes on Facebook. After all, what if she DOES run for office? What if she wins? What if other people like her win?

>>wincy+n7
Total off-topic: out of curiosity, what levers does she think are moral to pull to encourage folks to pay taxes?

>>zucked+Md
Same as what happens when you don't pay your utility bills, your services stop.

>>Wincys+Vr
How do you enforce that? Taxes pay for roads, parks, local goverment offices, etc. Is somebody who is behind on taxes prohibited from using public roads? Are they prohibited from entering the courthouse?

>>jdlsho+at
Roads and other services can be paid for by their users, in driver license fees and vehicle registration fees. If you don't use the roads, you don't pay those fees. Sure, you will pay them indirectly if you have to have other people drive you around or deliver things, but it's still all voluntary.

>>throwa+tz
That’s a different argument. You’re arguing that all taxes should be replaced by service fees. It’s also a problematic argument, because it’s highly regressive, extremely annoying or intrusive in practice (do I swipe my credit card every time I step into a park or call the fire department? Do I carry a tracker that monitors my activities and automatically bills me?) and also doesn’t address the question of social services.

But that aside, WincysWife isn’t arguing for a change in how money is collected, but how non-payment is penalized. The statement was that you lose access to services. My question, which hasn’t been answered, is how that is enforced when so much that the government does isn’t a simple “service” that is provided to you directly.

(It may be tempting to respond with another non-answer, such as “the government shouldn’t do those things,” but again that’s dodging the question. The government does do those things, and I’m trying to get at a real-world answer, not a hypothetical.)

>>jdlsho+3F
> It’s also a problematic argument, because it’s highly regressive, extremely annoying or intrusive in practice (do I swipe my credit card every time I step into a park or call the fire department?

It's a parody of libertarianism, but that's exactly how Ferengi society worked in Star Trek, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVa8NaYTMIQ, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCX6InQ3ZQ. There was one five minute scene I remember as a kid where Quark literally was dropping money in a box a couple times a minute to get his questions answered somewhere.