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1. baybal+5u[view] [source] 2021-05-24 07:25:38
>>pseudo+(OP)
Current bottom line:

- 1st response to CoVID occurrence was certainly in Wuhan.

- The closest wild strain of CoVID happens in bats living thousand kilometres from Wuhan

- Wuhan had two institutes which, on record, did gain of function experiments on bat coronaviruses

- Beijing purposefully destroyed DNA evidence, and obliterated the team who first sequenced the CoVID genome

- Chinese authorities were scrambling, and suppressing reporting as early as November, seemingly with a very good idea what they are up to.

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2. Jeremy+K81[view] [source] 2021-05-24 13:50:39
>>baybal+5u
This story continues to evolve and it's exciting to watch the new reporting come to light and slowly flesh out the details. The "lab escape hypothesis" was disregarded by many (if not most) media outlets as a conspiracy theory early on.

This feels so much like the Iraq "weapons of mass destruction" fiasco. Any time news outlets are credulously repeating the words of "government officials," you need to seriously devalue the reporting. Reporting isn't just being a mouthpiece for the state, and these outlets fail us when they express such a high degree of certainty before there's any independent verification of the facts.

Of course, everything you describe is still "circumstantial," and it's wise to remain skeptical. However, even if we somehow eventually confirm this was not a lab escape, there's absolutely no excuse for the certainty expressed by the NYT et al in their early reporting (which is true for so much of the other COVID-19 media coverage - the media did a terrible job of expressing uncertainty with very incomplete information throughout the entire affair).

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3. throwa+Xl1[view] [source] 2021-05-24 15:01:42
>>Jeremy+K81
> Of course, everything you describe is still "circumstantial," and it's wise to remain skeptical. However, even if we somehow eventually confirm this was not a lab escape, there's absolutely no excuse for the certainty expressed by the NYT et al in their early reporting (which is true for so much of the other COVID-19 media coverage - the media did a terrible job of expressing uncertainty with very incomplete information throughout the entire affair).

In general, my trust for the media has fallen through the floor in the last decade. I used to think that the media was mostly trustworthy, but that they would cater to the establishment on certain issues (e.g., WMDs and the general Iraq/Afghanistan war effort) but apart from those obvious high-profile issues they were mostly trustworthy. Now I can't tell if I was wrong the whole time and I've just wisened up recently or if the quality of the media has plummeted (especially with respect to ideological issues) or both. I strongly suspect that the media has become considerably more ideological (abandoning aspirations for neutrality and objectivity in favor of activism and proselytizing, at least to a degree), but I've probably (and hopefully) wisened up a bit as well.

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4. alanwr+ug2[view] [source] 2021-05-24 19:31:04
>>throwa+Xl1
Noam Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent” should be on your bookshelf. Goes into great detail especially regarding the need that media has to toeing the government line. It keeps them relevant and included in general news at all. Telling the truth or at least failing to omit it could equate to biting the hand that feeds you other stories.
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5. throwa+vh2[view] [source] 2021-05-24 19:36:20
>>alanwr+ug2
I should probably read it sometime, but I don't think "toeing the government line" aptly characterizes the media from 2016-2020. On the contrary, the media has had little except harsh criticism for the government in this time frame (which isn't to say that some or all of the criticism is undeserved, only that it seems to contradict the notion that the media toes the government line).
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6. dnissl+tN2[view] [source] 2021-05-24 23:03:08
>>throwa+vh2
A more modern analysis can be found in The Revolt of the Public by Martin Gurri.

His hypothesis is that what was once an information trickle has become a virtual tsunami with the internet + cell phones + satellite television, etc. Governments have no control over the flow of information, which they had at least a semblance of pre-2000. This wave of information has not only exposed the worst excesses of the elites, but has also exposed the enormous gap between their authoritative promises and the actual results they produce.

This has pissed off a lot of very entitled people, who don't take the fact that the gap has always existed into consideration, who for historical reasons place very high expectations on government, and as a result attribute bad intentions to the previously mentioned poor results.

Not only is the media courting those people, they are made up of those people. So you get a media that just heaps negation on even the smallest failure of government. It's not just for clicks -- they are true believers in that they think they're doing the right thing.

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7. throwa+S54[view] [source] 2021-05-25 11:50:02
>>dnissl+tN2
That’s an interesting theory and I certainly think the difference in the way we access information plays a role, but I don’t think it accounts for the stark contrast in media reporting between Obama and Biden. I don’t think things got bad for the elected the moment Trump became a serious candidate and then became good again the moment Biden took office; however, that’s roughly the portrait the media gave us. Trump comes into office and basically continues Obama’s immigration policy and suddenly we have an immigrant crisis and America is a white supremacist hellscape. Trump leaves office and (barring the Jan 6 riots) America is peachy-keen per the media. It certainly seems manufactured, but not by the government and not reflecting the discontent of the elites. I genuinely don’t have a good hypothesis to put forward. :/
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