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1. DanBC+r1[view] [source] 2021-05-24 00:48:39
>>pseudo+(OP)
A gentle reminder that some of the 2019 flu strains were pretty rough. See eg Australia having a lot of problems with it.
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2. graeme+i4[view] [source] 2021-05-24 01:15:21
>>DanBC+r1
That was Feburary 2019 in Australia. Wuhan’s flu season would have been November 2019. Different severity, the flu season in the northern hemisphere 2019 was not especially severe.

Further, the researchers were surely in the 18-49 age bracket. CDC’s estimates for the 2017-18 flu season in that age bracket were 58.8 per 100,000. That is 0.0588% per person per year.

And that’s the whole flu season. To have odds of being hospitalized in november you’d cut that in four at least.

And then the odds of three people in the same lab all needing hospitalization also needing hospital treatment? Even less likely.

Not impossible, but it’s not so simple as suggesting there was a bad flu season. There wasn’t in china then, and flu hospitalization is damned rare in non elderly.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

(It is possible that the “hospital care” in the article doesn’t match “hospitalization” as cdc defines it, but any kind of hospital care for a young person from the flu is still rare)

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3. DanBC+A6[view] [source] 2021-05-24 01:43:02
>>graeme+i4
Don't look at the CDC stats for the previous year. Look at the Australian stats for 2019 -- these were different strains of flu.
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4. buster+uv[view] [source] 2021-05-24 07:40:23
>>DanBC+A6
That was addressed in the very first sentence of their response...
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5. DanBC+JI[view] [source] 2021-05-24 10:18:53
>>buster+uv
They said this:

> Further, the researchers were surely in the 18-49 age bracket. CDC’s estimates for the 2017-18 flu season in that age bracket were 58.8 per 100,000. That is 0.0588% per person per year.

They're using CDC figure for the wrong year to say that younger people were not particularly affected. The 2019 flu season in Australia was

1) much rougher than the 2018 flu season in the US

2) much earlier than normal

Both of these mean that it could well have been an early, rough, flu season in Wuhan that hospitalised these people.

I understand that people really want this to be lab escape, but the way to show it's lab escape is to be honest when you're discounting everything else.

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6. buster+hL[view] [source] 2021-05-24 10:45:18
>>DanBC+JI
Australia has a different winter and different flu strain from Wuhan. Sure, Australia's flu came a couple of months early but it's also 10 months removed from when Wuhan would have been getting the flu in 2019. And that's what the parent was addressing in the first sentence and you repeatedly choose to skip over.
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