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1. follow+S31[view] [source] 2021-05-07 13:17:35
>>datafl+(OP)
"... proponents of lab escape can explain all the available facts about SARS2 considerably more easily than can those who favor natural emergence."

"The natural emergence theory battles a bristling array of implausibilities."

This is a fantastic article, but amazingly almost all of it is year-old news. Most of this was known in March 2020, and nearly all of it by the end of 2020. How does it take so long for the truth to win?

I published a meta-analysis covering much of the same ground in November 2020 and this was only after waiting and expecting for several months that someone with a better platform would do so first. The article above covers the most important points but the story does go deeper: https://followtheplot.org/covid19

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2. goneho+ga1[view] [source] 2021-05-07 13:58:21
>>follow+S31
What bothers me about it is not only did it take a long time for the “truth to win”, but mainstream media orgs actively suppressed it because of tribal stupidity.

It was used as an example of “fake news”: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/technology/biden-reality-...

> “ Hoaxes, lies and collective delusions aren’t new, but the extent to which millions of Americans have embraced them may be. Thirty percent of Republicans have a favorable view of QAnon, according to a recent YouGov poll. According to other polls, more than 70 percent of Republicans believe Mr. Trump legitimately won the election, and 40 percent of Americans — including plenty of Democrats — believe the baseless theory that Covid-19 was manufactured in a Chinese lab.”

What makes my blood boil about this is the NYT is supposed to be able to tell the difference - this kind of self righteous stupidity explains the rise of trump and distrust of media orgs more than anything else, it’s what lays the groundwork for baseless conspiracy.

Yes there were dumb conspiracies about a manufactured and intentionally released bio weapon, but the accidental release from the lab that actually exists and studies these exact viruses in Wuhan and the additional context of the lies from the CCP about the Pangolin (and just general suspicious blocking of access) made it a reasonable hypothesis.

What irony that in a piece pushing support for a “reality czar” (presumably to censor certain stories?) is the position of the NYT so divorced from reality itself.

Pair this with the WHO rep being afraid to say the word Taiwan and it looks bad there too: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-ta...

In a lot of ways it feels like the west is under constant attack from disinformation and self-inflicted censorship (movies, Apple, nba, etc. all afraid to be critical of the CCP) and doesn’t even realize what’s going on. I think the CCP understands what they’re doing.

This is an ideological war, we’re already under attack, and the west is losing. The CCP (and Russia to a lesser extent) understand where our vulnerabilities lie and they’re exploiting them.

Edit: Whenever this comment reaches +1 it’s quickly downvoted to -2, dang - if you see this do you have a way to tell if this is legitimate (users behaving as they wish to) or something else? I only consistently see this behavior on comments that mention the CCP.

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3. zpeti+gi1[view] [source] 2021-05-07 14:39:26
>>goneho+ga1
Amazingly succinct post.

However I think the CCP are overplaying their hand now. They are doing too much too fast too aggressively. Hong kong, NBA, now going after Australia. It's going to backfire IMO.

Especially if you start to think about non first world countries. What's india going to do once they're massive covid wave is over? Is it going to improve india-china relations? You are going to have 1bn people with a border with China very very pissed I think at them.

We are only 1 year into this pandemic, and I think many geopolitical issues haven't been worked through yet.

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4. wonder+1v1[view] [source] 2021-05-07 15:54:06
>>zpeti+gi1
I dont think it is going to backfire, I think everything is going exactly as they want it to go. Look at what is happening to the Uighurs. They are actively running concentration camps for millions of people and governments have for the most part just shrugged their shoulders. This is a massive boost to the Chinese as they now know they can get away with massive human rights violations with no consequences. Their airforce and navy is modernizing at a fantastic pace while the US has sunk a trillion into what for all purposes appears to be a dud in the JSF. They have the new silk road initiative under way, have built massive influence in Africa and are essentially claiming the entire south china sea for themselves. The Hong Kong situation is close to resolved and the only thing the world did was watch a few youtube videos or maybe wear a slogan on a tshirt. The next time there is an isolationist US president they will likely take Taiwan. They have all the time in the world.
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