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1. ocdtre+e3[view] [source] 2021-03-30 19:47:03
>>gorman+(OP)
" Modern cars regularly send basic data about vehicle components, their safety status and service schedules to car manufacturers, and mobile phones work in very similar ways." -Google

This is a beautiful quote because it is an example of one industry's bad behavior leading to another industry's bad behavior, upon which the first industry then users the second's similarity to justify themselves. Cars only started doing this because phones made it normal. It's wrong in both cases.

It's similar to when Apple defended it's 30% store cut by claiming it's an "industry standard"... specifically, an industry standard that Apple established.

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2. wmiche+Jn[view] [source] 2021-03-30 21:23:46
>>ocdtre+e3
I disagree that telemetry is inherently bad. As product engineers, telemetry is often our only visibility into whether or not a system is functioning healthily. How else can you detect difficult-to-spot bugs in production?
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3. jstanl+Hv[view] [source] 2021-03-30 22:11:42
>>wmiche+Jn
> our only visibility into whether or not a system is functioning healthily.

Your problem here is viewing the end user's setup as part of your system.

It's the user's private system -- why should you have any visibility into how it is functioning?

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4. minsc_+RA[view] [source] 2021-03-30 22:56:13
>>jstanl+Hv
They said a system, not their system.

Car computers report telemetry to mechanics, and given that digitization allows for economies of scale, this isn't that different.

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5. jstanl+dG[view] [source] 2021-03-30 23:36:10
>>minsc_+RA
> Car computers report telemetry to mechanics

Yes -- and they shouldn't.

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6. minsc_+bY[view] [source] 2021-03-31 02:47:32
>>jstanl+dG
Yes, they should. It assists with repairs, increases safety, leads to recalls, and in cars with GPS units, even reports road emergencies and saves lives.

You can feel uncomfortable that this is happening, which is an entirely okay opinion to have, but when it comes to forcing that opinions on others, please don't.

Imagine if we were debating the qualities of buttons because the Amish were uncomfortable using them.

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7. martim+V11[view] [source] 2021-03-31 03:32:57
>>minsc_+bY
Sure but Amish have the right to choose to use the button or not. You should have the option to opt-out.

Or at least have that option until society says “well given how many life’s are save we need to collect this data from everyone”. But you’d get a say in that conversation as well.

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8. minsc_+Gr2[view] [source] 2021-03-31 15:41:22
>>martim+V11
You can opt out, the exact same way.

Don't buy a car that uses telemetry, just like you don't buy clothes that uses buttons.

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