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1. ttz+rc[view] [source] 2021-02-13 19:17:03
>>lazycr+(OP)
First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground".

My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them.

Which is exactly what this issue is about.

That's not to say we have compelling evidence that this was a lab virus, either. I think, for me, it's a, "we don't know, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if it was a lab virus".

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2. yurlun+w01[view] [source] 2021-02-14 02:05:58
>>ttz+rc
No need for you to preach to the choir about not trusting the Chinese government. As can be seen in the thread, people would much prefer to trust conspiracy theorists and fringe scientists before they put any trust in the Chinese government.

To me, the only constructive discussion that can be had at this point needs to be around actual evidence, and not the absence of it. The first documented cases, first traces of positive samples etc etc. It's clearly still in the early stages of discoveries so all theories are just theories. That said I don't expect this to remain a mystery forever. It will just take time, because eventually the natural origins will be pinned down and reasonable chain of events of first spread will be identified.

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3. turdna+g11[view] [source] 2021-02-14 02:14:28
>>yurlun+w01
Why do you think that is inevitable if the Chinese government continues to obfuscate?
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4. crater+r21[view] [source] 2021-02-14 02:30:14
>>turdna+g11
Epidemiology. History. The Spanish Flu was called that because at the time everyone (for xenophobic reasons... sound familiar?) blamed Spain. Today we can say with reasonable confidence that the source of the 1918 influenza epidemic was.... wait for it.....

Kansas

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5. sebmel+c41[view] [source] 2021-02-14 02:58:14
>>crater+r21
People did not blame Spain for xenophobic reasons, just because the Spanish press was the first to report on it.

And, as pertains to the virus's origin, COVID-19 did come from China, and we know that. We have epidemiology to guide us here, and the situation is altogether different from 1918 w/r/t speed of communication and the state of science.

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6. Aunche+6o1[view] [source] 2021-02-14 07:59:10
>>sebmel+c41
> People did not blame Spain for xenophobic reasons, just because the Spanish press was the first to report on it.

That doesn't disprove xenophobia at all. The Spanish press reported on it first because every nation involved in WWI very aggressively censored any mention of the flu. After the war, they had every incentive to play into people's natural xenophobia rather admit to covering up the disease. Here you see the Spanish Flu depicted as a flamenco lady:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/G386J3/the-spanish-flu-epidemic-ov...

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