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1. blunte+xU[view] [source] 2021-02-08 15:07:06
>>benhur+(OP)
Google uses non-human automation to make some decisions, including banning accounts. As others have mentioned, this is not unreasonable as long as there is a reasonable (in terms of time and effort) path to disputing a ban - i.e., speaking to a human about the issue.

But Google (and Facebook, and probably some other companies) don't have reasonable processes for disputing or resolving these situations.

Some have said that we should consider Google's challenge: lots of users/activities that need to be monitored and policed. The assumption is that Google could not afford to do this "reasonably" with humans instead of automated systems because the volume is high.

But Google certainly could hire and train humans to follow a process for reviewing and assisting in resolving these cases. They don't. It is doubtful that they cannot afford to do this; I haven't checked their annual report lately, but I'm guessing they still have a healthy profit.

In the unlikely event that involving more humans would be too expensive, then Google should raise their prices (or stop giving so much away for free).

To summarize, there is no excuse for Google to operate this way. They do because they can, and because the damage still falls into the "acceptable losses" column.

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2. Justsi+6w1[view] [source] 2021-02-08 17:54:01
>>blunte+xU
I remember someone had a post here a couple years back:

- They bought google wireless. - Their charge was declined, whatever the reason, they wanted to correct that. Or possibly an accidental dispute. - Google disabled their account because of non-payment - Google's customer support couldn't help because they weren't a paying customer. - They literally couldn't do ANYTHING because google was ignoring every step of the way. - Their account was blocked from making any payments and couldn't contact someone until they made a payment. - Eventually their phone was disabled, and they lost the phone number because... no payment!

And once the phone number was released / re-used there was nothing they could do.

Same thing if Google was to ban my gmail today, I'd lose SO MUCH and worse is my photos, all my logins, etc. Their "loss" on me could be devastating to my life and not even a blip on their radar.

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3. ryandr+LB1[view] [source] 2021-02-08 18:23:17
>>Justsi+6w1
> Same thing if Google was to ban my gmail today, I'd lose SO MUCH and worse is my photos, all my logins, etc. Their "loss" on me could be devastating to my life and not even a blip on their radar.

Just curious, why would you accept this risk? Even though the probability of losing your account is small, the impact is huge. I'd recommend at least backups and your own domain for an E-mail address (even if you just have Gmail continue to host the email).

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4. Dayshi+PQ1[view] [source] 2021-02-08 19:36:03
>>ryandr+LB1
> I'd recommend at least backups and your own domain for an E-mail address (even if you just have Gmail continue to host the email).

I've yet to find a good solution for this without paying for Google's business product, which I find way too dangerous to risk. You can't get a custom domain on consumer gmail.

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5. gowld+IS1[view] [source] 2021-02-08 19:45:46
>>Dayshi+PQ1
You can forward mail to your personal Gmail account.

Anyway why is Google's paid business product more risky than their free Gmail?

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6. Dayshi+xU1[view] [source] 2021-02-08 19:55:47
>>gowld+IS1
> You can forward mail to your personal Gmail account.

1. You need to pay for a mail server, and then you lose the benefits of gmail's spam filters, and also you start having deliverability problems.

2. You lose the benefits of some of gmail's features as they don't classify forwarded emails the same.

Because as a person I have some rights under GDPR, as a business I don't really. Business accounts are even easier for them to shut, and using a business account for personal things sets off loads of red flags. You can't review products, you can use family features, your google home products get messed up, etc.

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7. louis-+5j3[view] [source] 2021-02-09 06:54:22
>>Dayshi+xU1
While data related to a company doesn't fall under GDPR, the data of the person(s) in that company does.
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