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1. AceJoh+YM1[view] [source] 2021-02-08 19:17:25
>>benhur+(OP)
If you've got an automated vetting process with a 99.999% success rate, but are dealing with billions of accounts, that's still tens of thousands of false positives.

At that level, "percentage" is an insufficient measure. You want "permillionage", or maybe more colloquially "DPM" for "Defects Per Million" or even "DPB".

You'll still get false positives though, so you provide an appeal process. But what's to prevent the bad actors from abusing the appeal process while leaving your more clueless legitimate users lost in the dust?

(As the joke goes: "There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists" [1])

Can you build any vetting process, and associated appeal process, that successfully keeps all the bad actors out, and doesn't exclude your good users? What about those on the edge? Or those that switch? Or those who are busy, or wary?

There's a lot of money riding on that.

[1] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/08/security_is_a...

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2. mooman+v32[view] [source] 2021-02-08 20:42:48
>>AceJoh+YM1
I think this is a balancing act of risks, and I wanted to bring up what I believe to be a success story when it comes to handling suspensions: Microsoft.

One thing I believe Microsoft gets right is that suspensions are isolated to the service whose TOS was violated. I.e. violating the hotmail TOS doesn't suspend you from their other services. I think this makes the impact of a false positive less catastrophic, while still removing actual problematic users from the service. This may be an artifact of how teams work together at Microsoft.

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3. lwansb+2g2[view] [source] 2021-02-08 21:46:48
>>mooman+v32
> This may be an artifact of how teams work together at Microsoft.

It may be an artifact of Microsoft actually being regulated for monopolistic practices.

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4. nl+Sm2[view] [source] 2021-02-08 22:21:52
>>lwansb+2g2
There's nothing at all in the old DOJ settlement that imposes anything like this.
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