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1. WillDa+9g[view] [source] 2020-09-29 14:39:57
>>rapnie+(OP)
The point about minority views no longer being able to take over is a scary one. There has been a great amount of social progress in the past several decades, and that sort of progress wouldn't be possible under the effects of strong social cooling.
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2. shadow+Ch[view] [source] 2020-09-29 14:46:39
>>WillDa+9g
White supremacy is a minority view in the US and seems to have gained huge amounts of traction in spite of these believed effects. White supremacists have lost jobs for being caught out attending rallies; it doesn't seem to stop the rallies.
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3. munifi+cR[view] [source] 2020-09-29 17:35:49
>>shadow+Ch
> White supremacy is a minority view

This depends on how your aggregation function is weighted.

If your measure is "how many people in the US are white supremacists?" then, yes, it's definitely a minority view (though still more widely held than it should be!).

But if you scale it by each person's power/wealth, you get a very different view. If your question is "what is the total power held by white supremacists?" you'll end up with a larger number.

And if you really want to get an accurate measure where you treat each person's white supremacy value as a number that ranges smoothly from positive (actual white supremacist) to zero (not interested in putting effort into race relations one way or another) to negative (anti-white supremacist), your function may produce a number that explains a hell of a lot of US history.

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4. lightg+UW[view] [source] 2020-09-29 18:03:47
>>munifi+cR
> If your question is "what is the total power held by white supremacists?" you'll end up with a larger number.

I very much doubt so. The richest people in the US are whites (e.g. Besos, Gates, Buffet), but not suprematists. If you have data which proves otherwise, please share.

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5. munifi+Tg1[view] [source] 2020-09-29 20:01:02
>>lightg+UW
> The richest people in the US are whites (e.g. Besos, Gates, Buffet), but not suprematists.

And what of the Kochs and Waltons?

Either way, you're only thinking about the 0.01%. But consider the many many more people in the 1%. Big fish in small pond types that are part of the Old Boy's Club in your local area. People that wouldn't call themselves white supremacists or even racist, but also wouldn't really want Black folks joining their country club.

If you don't think deep-seated racism is profoundly prevalent across large areas of the US, you are probably just in the position of having enough privilege to be oblivious to it. I grew up in the South, and it is everywhere. You just have to scratch the surface a bit to see it.

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6. lightg+Pk1[view] [source] 2020-09-29 20:22:07
>>munifi+Tg1
> I grew up in the South, and it is everywhere

Or you are biased to see it everywhere.

Maybe it's true, maybe it's false, but the burden of proof on those who make statements about white supremacists, and I did not see any evidence supporting these statements.

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7. munifi+bJ1[view] [source] 2020-09-29 22:51:37
>>lightg+Pk1
> Or you are biased to see it everywhere.

Why would I be?

> but the burden of proof on those who make statements about white supremacists

In a nation where it was legal to own black people for most of its existence and less than 40 years since the last lynching, you think the burden of proof is on me to show that white supremacy is a problem?

But, sure, here you go then:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:White_supremacy_in_th...

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8. lightg+uL1[view] [source] 2020-09-29 23:13:34
>>munifi+bJ1
> Why would I be?

I don't know. Maybe you watched a movie about white supremacists when you were a child and it stick to your mind. People tend to have biases and see what they want to see. Some people see white supremacists everywhere. Otheres constantly see examples of inter-racial love and friendship.

> In a nation where it was legal to own black people for most of its existence and less than 40 years since the last lynching, you think the burden of proof is on me to show that white supremacy is a problem?

Maybe it is a problem, maybe it is not a problem.

The original statement was not about that. Quoting:

> But if you scale it by each person's power/wealth, you get a very different view. If your question is "what is the total power held by white supremacists?" you'll end up with a larger number.

This is the statement I'm contensting. Because it is unsubstantiated.

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9. munifi+iQ1[view] [source] 2020-09-29 23:56:13
>>lightg+uL1
> Maybe you watched a movie about white supremacists when you were a child and it stick to your mind.

Well, I:

* Lived near a sundown town.

* Watched one of my closest friends get recruited by an associate of David Duke and slowly get indoctrinated into white supremacy.

* Had a white kid in high school proudly tell me about the time they "beat the shit out of that nigger" just because they didn't like the way he looked at them.

* Watched half a schoolbus full of elementary school kids joke about "porch monkeys".

* Grew up in a city named after one plantation in a neighborhood named after another one.

But, sure, yeah, I must be imagining it all.

> Because it is unsubstantiated.

I provided a link to lots of articles about white supremacy in the US. It is you who have provided no counter-evidence.

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10. lightg+Wz3[view] [source] 2020-09-30 17:18:44
>>munifi+iQ1
> But, sure, yeah, I must be imagining it all.

No, I'm not saying you are imagining. I suspect (not state) that you are biased, and describe the issue larger than what it is.

> I provided a link to lots of articles about white supremacy in the US. It is you who have provided no counter-evidence.

And I can give you a link to Google, when you can find anything.

You just provided a link with the list of white supremacist organisations. Nobody denies these organisation exists.

But there is no proof that "white supremacists" have significant power. They look like small marginal groups with no money and no real power. Like religious sects.

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11. shadow+4e7[view] [source] 2020-10-01 19:21:27
>>lightg+Wz3
They did succeed in boosting the current President into the office, which is more than no power. How significant the power is of being a voting bloc the President can't seem to say no to is a question reasonable people can debate.

https://www.businessinsider.com/rick-santorum-trump-right-wi...

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