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>>rapnie+(OP)
The point about minority views no longer being able to take over is a scary one. There has been a great amount of social progress in the past several decades, and that sort of progress wouldn't be possible under the effects of strong social cooling.

>>WillDa+9g
White supremacy is a minority view in the US and seems to have gained huge amounts of traction in spite of these believed effects. White supremacists have lost jobs for being caught out attending rallies; it doesn't seem to stop the rallies.

>>shadow+Ch
> White supremacists have lost jobs for being caught out attending rallies; it doesn't seem to stop the rallies.

Yesterday, there was a documentary movie on German's private TV station Pro7 about Nazis. An actual Nazi confirmed live on camera: yes, deplatforming Nazis (and that includes them losing jobs, family, friends) works and is a huge source of pain for the movement because many people don't hold up to that pressure and leave.

Just imagine how big the rallies would be if there was no social pressure on not being Nazi would no longer be there... at the moment many attendees either don't give a f..k about how they are perceived, or they relish on that being accepted in their social circles.

>>mschus+Gu
This strongly suggests social cooling is a positive effect.

>>shadow+0I
As long as it is used against Nazis, definitely. I mean, we can all agree that Nazis are bad.

The problem is when governments go against legitimate opposition and abuse social pressure.

>>mschus+uV
First they deplatformed the Nazis, and I did not speak out -- for I was not a Nazi.

>The problem is when governments go against legitimate opposition and abuse social pressure.

Legitimate according to who? Isn't any opposition to a government illegitimate opposition? Or exclusively legitimate, depending on how you feel about the concept of government itself.

I've been self-censoring for more than a decade now. I really like how the information is presented in this SocialCooling site.

As you have pointed out, the effects are good if they lower the voices you disagree with, and raise the ones that represent your views. My advice to everyone reading HN is to pick the winning side, and conform to it. Fortunately for us, picking the winners isn't hard.

>>xenihn+FZ
Funny; I thought it was "First they deplatformed Nazis, and I did not speak out because Nazis can get fucked." ;)

> I've been self-censoring for more than a decade now

Good! I recommend it. It's a basic skill that is useful when living in a society with other human beings whose situation (social power, emotional state, world view) we must account for. We have entire empathic neurological systems to support that behavior.

> My advice to everyone reading HN is to pick the winning side, and conform to it.

My advice is never pick the Nazis.

>>shadow+R91
> Funny; I thought it was "First they deplatformed Nazis, and I did not speak out because Nazis can get fucked."

The original quote which you're abusing begins "first they came for the Communists".

These were Communists in the era of Josef Stalin, to be clear. Mass-murdering totalitarians, exactly the sort of people you wouldn't want taking over your country.

It appears you missed both the lesson of Herr Niemoller, and a key part of the history of the rise of Nazism in Weimar Germany.

Pity.

>>samatm+Lm1
German communists most likely weren't aware of what was really happening in the USSR at the time. (Whether an hypothetical communist revolution in Germany would have resulted in Stalinist-like horrors is an interesting question.) French communists have had a disproportionate part in French resistance, and a disproportionate part in French after-war policies for a long time.