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>>tosh+(OP)
>While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture

The "radical right" enclaves on the internet are literally the only places where you won't be banned for not falling in line.

We need to have this discussion in more than one dimension. Left/right and authoritarian/anarchist are orthogonal metrics.

>>mtgp10+cn
Not my experience. Back when it was a going concern, The_Donald moderators were incredibly quick to ban anyone who was not a 100% full-throated supporter of Trump. I know because I was banned repeatedly for trying to engage in nuanced, good faith discussions. r/Conservative is extremely quick on the ban trigger as well.

I find that a desire for safe-spaces and monoculture spans both sides of the aisle and seems to be a broader trend in our culture today. Perhaps this desire always existed and the Internet's ability to cater to the long tail has simply enabled it.

>>santos+3p
There are discussion websites other than reddit...

Also calling the_donald "far right" really indicates the bias of discourse online. Which is part of the problem - people are deliberately loose with language and netizens (at least on reddit) truly believe that Nazis have taken over the Republican party...

>>mtgp10+Nw
The top post on their new site right now says that "Donald Trump is our last and only hope" and encourages readers to "VOTE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT. IT DOES." I think this is an extreme viewpoint by any reasonable standard; the vast majority of people don't expect they're going to die if the wrong person wins an election.

>>SpicyL+4y
Have you been paying attention to what BLM has been saying?

What do you expect these people to feel when they are being accused openly of white supremacy and Nazism, simply for not going along with leftist politics? That's a unilateral carte blanche to be violent. Punching Nazis is great but it's a serious problem when you are far too loose with labels, as we've been watching. Silence is violence, right?

I assure you that the millions of non-white immigrants who [reluctantly] lean towards Trump are not white supremacists - but all it takes is a single accusation to literally ruin a life. When that is the status quo, it isn't surprising to hear people say that they are voting right like "their life depends on it" because it increasingly seems to.

Regardless of the justification, you cannot deny that BLM are presently the aggressors, openly rallying to explicitly subvert US institutions. Not everyone has to agree with the culmination of the long march through the institutions.

>>mtgp10+1B
The words "white supremacy" are being redefined. If you don't go along with the Marxist radicals' subversion of US institutions "that are rooted in white supremacy" (not to mention their asserted goal of "ending Whiteness", the meaning of which is quite unclear to most - certainly to the many millions of people who have been heavily encouraged to self-identify as white throughout the 20th century, including by progressives) they'll call you a white supremacist.

>>zozbot+aF
The people downvoting you were clearly not watching the streams of protestors chanting and screaming into megaphones. The rhetoric was consistent across the country.

The premise is that the system is white supremacist in nature and must be torn down. From there it is implied that if you do not support tearing down the system, you are a white supremacist. And what do we do to white supremacists?

Except the vast majority of people who are iffy about what's going on aren't supremacists of any sort. The word "racist" is quickly losing effect.

Politics might not be 1 dimensional, but pendulums are.

>>mtgp10+bJ
> And what do we do to white supremacists?

Recent experience would say: not a whole lot. Well, maybe elect them president. You know, real scary stuff for the white supremacists.

> Except the vast majority of people who are iffy about what's going on aren't supremacists of any sort.

So is your entire complaint that, in truth, you believe in the goals that BLM has, you just are really miffed by their characterization of you as a "white supremacist", which carries too negative a connotation, and because of that you just can't bring yourself to support them?

I mean it's really easy to acknowledge that one benefits from white supremacy. I do, all the time. That doesn't inherently make me a bad person, it makes me a (white) person who lives in a society. That I happen to benefit from the same structures that put other people down, on its own, doesn't impact my moral character. What I do with that knowledge though, now that does.

>>joshua+LS
How about we start with the blatantly racist assumption that I'm white? And the fact that such behavior is being normalized by BLM and allies, and I'm being held hostage for not going along with a movement which I believe is about to set race relations back by a hundred years?

This isn't about me. This is about the country running off a cliff. And it's the fact that I'm not even allowed to question your presumptions about how the system benefits whites at the expense of blacks - which is statistically unsupported, but that's beside my point.

Again, it's the fact that I risk being unpersoned for even bringing it up.