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1. danso+02[view] [source] 2020-06-24 14:55:32
>>vermon+(OP)
This story is really alarming because as described, the police ran a face recognition tool based on a frame of grainy security footage and got a positive hit. Does this tool give any indication of a confidence value? Does it return a list (sorted by confidence) of possible suspects, or any other kind of feedback that would indicate even to a layperson how much uncertainty there is?

The issue of face recognition algorithms performing worse on dark faces is a major problem. But the other side of it is: would police be more hesitant to act on such fuzzy evidence if the top match appeared to be a middle-class Caucasian (i.e. someone who is more likely to take legal recourse)?

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2. strgcm+w7[view] [source] 2020-06-24 15:18:43
>>danso+02
I think the NYT article has a little more detail: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/technology/facial-recogni...

Essentially, an employee of the facial recognition provider forwarded an "investigative lead" for the match they generated (which does have a score associated with it on the provider's side, but it's not clear if the score is clearly communicated to detectives as well), and the detectives then put the photo of this man into a "6 pack" photo line-up, from which a store employee then identified that man as being the suspect.

Everyone involved will probably point fingers at each other, because the provider for example put large heading on their communication that, "this is not probable cause for an arrest, this is only an investigative lead, etc.", while the detectives will say well we got a hit from a line-up, blame the witness, and the witness would probably say well the detectives showed me a line-up and he seemed like the right guy (or maybe as is often the case with line-ups, the detectives can exert a huge amount of bias/influence over witnesses).

EDIT: Just to be clear, none of this is to say that the process worked well or that I condone this. I think the data, the technology, the processes, and the level of understanding on the side of the police are all insufficient, and I do not support how this played out, but I think it is easy enough to provide at least some pseudo-justification at each step along the way.

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3. gridlo+FH[view] [source] 2020-06-24 17:33:18
>>strgcm+w7
> Essentially, an employee of the facial recognition provider forwarded an "investigative lead" for the match they generated (which does have a score associated with it on the provider's side, but it's not clear if the score is clearly communicated to detectives as well)

This is the lead provided:

https://wfdd-live.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/story-full/s3/imag...

Note that it says in red and bold emphasis:

THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT A POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION. IT IS AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD ONLY AND IS NOT PROBABLE CAUSE TO ARRREST. FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS NEEDED TO DEVELOP PROBABLE CAUSE TO ARREST.

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4. throwa+eK[view] [source] 2020-06-24 17:43:00
>>gridlo+FH
Dear god the input image they used to generate that is TERRIBLE! It could be damn near any black male.

The real negligence here is whoever tuned the software to spit out a result for that quality of image rather than a "not enough data, too many matches, please submit a better image" error.

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5. mindsl+RP[view] [source] 2020-06-24 18:07:01
>>throwa+eK
I'm not even sure that's definitely a black man, rather than just any person with some kind of visor or mask. There does seem to be a face in the noise, but human brains are primed to see face shapes.

The deeper reform that needs to happen here is that every person falsely arrested and/or prosecuted needs to be automatically compensated for their time wasted and other harm suffered. Only then will police departments have some incentive for restraint. Currently we have a perverse reverse lottery where if you're unlucky you just lose a day/month/year of your life. With the state of what we're actually protesting I'm not holding my breath (eg the privileged criminals who committed the first degree murder of Breonna Taylor still have yet to be charged), but it's still worth calling out the smaller injustices that criminal "justice" system inflicts.

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6. seekup+ta2[view] [source] 2020-06-25 03:52:38
>>mindsl+RP
>Currently we have a perverse reverse lottery where if you're unlucky you just lose a day/month/year of your life

that's what happens if you're lucky

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