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1. rayine+c6[view] [source] 2020-06-11 03:31:04
>>evo_9+(OP)
USA Today has the best coverage of this I’ve seen. The NYT coverage of this is awful: https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

A key fact is that the police shot Taylor after her boyfriend shot at the police, thinking they were intruders. While he was fully entitled to do that, the NYT doesn’t believe in gun rights so that’s a messy fact. To make the victim seem more sympathetic, the narrative under the heading “What Happened in Louisville?” doesn’t mention Taylor‘s boyfriend shooting first. Instead, you need to go down several paragraphs to learn that fact. Which leaves the whole article deeply confused: at first you think police just started shooting for no reason, and then later you learn they shot because they were fired upon. Which of course leaves the reader with little understanding of what police actually did wrong. Were they not supposed to shoot back when Taylor’s boyfriend shot at them? Is that the problem?

Obviously nobody expects the police not to shoot back when fired upon. What the police did wrong, instead, is failing to respect black peoples’ second and fourth amendment rights. This happened in Kentucky, where if you barge into someone’s house in the middle of the night you can expect to get shot. Police barging into people’s homes in the middle of the night unannounced is fundamentally incompatible with what the Constitution and Kentucky law gives homeowners the right to do: shoot at intruders in their home. And as such the practice of serving these no-knock warrants is an infringement of that right. It leads to tragic consequences under predictable circumstances where homeowners are just exercising their rights. And of course, it’s doubtful that officers display the same callousness to the possibility of armed homeowners when it comes to policing white neighborhoods. It’s another one in a long pattern of cases where black people are murdered for daring to exercise their second amendment rights.

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2. berdar+hq[view] [source] 2020-06-11 07:47:38
>>rayine+c6
> Obviously nobody expects the police not to shoot back when fired upon.

I do.

They should temporarily cover to safety, understand the situation, announce themselves and attempt to de-escalate.

Only if gunfire persist after that, it's reasonable to use deadly force. That's the LAST thing they should do (because in fact, mistakes at that point will be final, with mortal consequences)

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3. leetcr+331[view] [source] 2020-06-11 13:27:49
>>berdar+hq
I agree in principle, but this might not always be realistic. bullets from a rifle can easily penetrate an unarmored vehicle or residential structure and kill people on the other side. frankly, I think the police should be expected to take a bit more personal risk to avoid killing civilians (even if they are in the wrong), but you have to consider that other people could be in danger. if it's a populated area, it might not be okay to just let the person keep shooting until the police figure out what's going on. of course, every shot the police fire also endangers bystanders, so they need to take that into consideration too.
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