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>>colinp+(OP)
This isn't even a matter of security vs. democracy.

This is political control vs. democracy.

How do we do helpful surveillance without destroying everybody's freedom?

Perhaps we can't? Perhaps we just need to focus on response and deterrence measures to bad things people do?

Are we sacrificing too much by having 'prevention' measures (surveillance) in place?

>>mindfu+Sa
Who's "we"?

Before we can even begin, let's dispose of the notion that the government serves "us".

>>danhar+Nb
Government, people and the country, three completely different non-intersecting concepts.

There's nothing to begin though unfortunately.