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1. hughmu+O5[view] [source] 2020-06-04 12:40:38
>>wolfgk+(OP)
So we're just going to pretend that cities aren't going up in flames, businesses aren't being destroyed and innocent protestors, rioters and police aren't being killed?

There is an extremely blurry line between peaceful and violent protests. Unfortunately all of the chaos of recent days that the WaPo and others (Obama, etc.) seem all too eager to sweep under the rug has ruined things for everyone.

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2. voganm+ia[view] [source] 2020-06-04 13:09:32
>>hughmu+O5
Blurry line for who?

These protests are documented with more video and more sources than any ever in history.

Please point to an example where violent protestor outnumber those being peaceful and exercising their rights?

If you are so eager to call out individual protestors, are you as eager to call out police misconduct or paint with a broad brush for that viewpoint?

Are you condemning ideas and groups or are you concerned with conduct?

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3. hughmu+ui[view] [source] 2020-06-04 13:57:45
>>voganm+ia
We ask police to deal with mobs of violent criminals then get angry at them when they push someone, it's laughable.

It's naive to expect perfect policing in such situations.

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4. voganm+Kj[view] [source] 2020-06-04 14:05:18
>>hughmu+ui
So you think perfection is a reasonable expectation for protestors?

Your standards don’t seem consistent or reasonable.

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5. bobmcb+8O[view] [source] 2020-06-04 16:19:42
>>voganm+Kj
https://youtu.be/HJeu3GEsOq8

Perfection.

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6. voganm+kP[view] [source] 2020-06-04 16:25:45
>>bobmcb+8O
Do you believe this invalidates a cause, peaceful protest, or protestors?
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7. bobmcb+kR[view] [source] 2020-06-04 16:35:08
>>voganm+kP
I believe that various examples of this and numerous people being killed invalidates the claim that the national guard shouldn't be on the street with clear curfews to protect life.
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8. voganm+c11[view] [source] 2020-06-04 17:30:00
>>bobmcb+kR
I agree that it is a dangerous situation and also want to protect lives and the rights of citizens.

Are safety and the right to peacefully assemble so at odds?

The national guard protecting the lives and rights of its citizens is a far cry from being dominated as a part of a battle space.

If we consider that there may be substance to other viewpoints as opposed to only opposition to our own we could work at addressing some of the root or common goals instead of focusing on division.

Why don’t states and or citizens feel comfortable utilizing the national guard?

Is it reasonable to fear an escalation which may place the American people and their constitutional rights in jeopardy?

Are there approaches that would deescalate the situation that should be favored over those which risk even greater division (in particular between the citizens and the military )?

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