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1. js2+G5[view] [source] 2020-06-03 22:33:48
>>js2+(OP)
I know folks don't always click through, so I'll highlight what I found most insightful:

> Part of our misunderstanding about the nature of policing is we keep imagining that we can turn police into social workers. That we can make them nice, friendly community outreach workers. But police are violence workers. That's what distinguishes them from all other government functions. ... They have the legal capacity to use violence in situations where the average citizen would be arrested.

> So when we turn a problem over to the police to manage, there will be violence, because those are ultimately the tools that they are most equipped to utilize: handcuffs, threats, guns, arrests. That's what really is at the root of policing. So if we don't want violence, we should try to figure out how to not get the police involved.

> Political protests are a threat to the order of this system. And so policing has always been the primary tool for managing those threats to the public order. Just as we understand the use of police to deal with homelessness as a political failure, every time we turn a political order problem over to the police to manage, that's also a political failure.

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2. joseph+8b[view] [source] 2020-06-03 23:04:57
>>js2+G5
I think that’s made much more true because that’s the image police forces in America have of themselves. “We’re here to beat up the bad guys”. Police here in Australia are far from perfect, but they are much more seen as part of the community. They don’t even carry firearms any more.

In Australia I wouldn’t hesitate to contact the police or talk to them on the street if something happened. (Just like I wouldn’t hesitate to call an ambulance if someone gets hurt). When I lived in the Bay Area that attitude seemed naive and stupid / dangerous.

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3. kenz0r+gf[view] [source] 2020-06-03 23:29:27
>>joseph+8b
Just to correct you on firearms. Police officers in Australia are generally issues firearms (semi-automatic pistols).
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4. haecce+Kh[view] [source] 2020-06-03 23:42:03
>>kenz0r+gf
I thought British police mostly don't carry firearms.
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5. tom_+7i[view] [source] 2020-06-03 23:44:44
>>haecce+Kh
They don’t, but Australia is not part of Britain, so different rules may apply.
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6. haecce+jk1[view] [source] 2020-06-04 09:30:55
>>tom_+7i
I think it's funny that people are so focused in correcting him about Australia that they miss the point of his argument.
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