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1. js2+G5[view] [source] 2020-06-03 22:33:48
>>js2+(OP)
I know folks don't always click through, so I'll highlight what I found most insightful:

> Part of our misunderstanding about the nature of policing is we keep imagining that we can turn police into social workers. That we can make them nice, friendly community outreach workers. But police are violence workers. That's what distinguishes them from all other government functions. ... They have the legal capacity to use violence in situations where the average citizen would be arrested.

> So when we turn a problem over to the police to manage, there will be violence, because those are ultimately the tools that they are most equipped to utilize: handcuffs, threats, guns, arrests. That's what really is at the root of policing. So if we don't want violence, we should try to figure out how to not get the police involved.

> Political protests are a threat to the order of this system. And so policing has always been the primary tool for managing those threats to the public order. Just as we understand the use of police to deal with homelessness as a political failure, every time we turn a political order problem over to the police to manage, that's also a political failure.

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2. peterw+xi[view] [source] 2020-06-03 23:48:07
>>js2+G5
Abroad in well-developed nations with healthy economies, violent police aren't so much a thing. Our police mimic our own American society, which is inherently violent and promotes criminality (through a draconian justice system that has been dolling out harsh penalties for minor crimes for decades, allows white collar crime to thrive, promotes racial injustice through segregationist state laws, removes social support for the vulnerable people who are most likely to become criminals through necessity, etc). And we're surprised that within this framework, the authorities abuse all the latitude we give them. American police aren't uniquely screwed up, they're just American.
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