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1. zucker+Kb[view] [source] 2020-06-03 19:26:34
>>sorami+(OP)
I read through the whole complaint and it's a pretty shocking catalog of abuse of power, discretion, and force. And it only covers actions against journalists, and only in the city of Minneapolis.
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2. collle+Hr[view] [source] 2020-06-03 20:52:11
>>zucker+Kb
It shouldn't be shocking for anyone who was paying attention. There is a good book about related issues by Radley Balco called Rise of the Warrior Cop. Published in 2013. Unlike many comments here and on other websites it's not hysterical, or hyperbolic or contaminated with self-referential post-modernist bullshit. It is a sober and factual analysis of how American police became what it is right now. It's not an easy read, but it's a must-read for anyone who wants to have a reasonable picture of the problem.

The public notion of good policing and the actual practices police departments follow have been diverging for several decades (if they ever converged). What we're seeing right now is not some inexplicable increase in bad behavior or cops deliberately targeting journalists. For modern American police this is just business as usual, except the volume of deployment is significantly higher than in the past few decades and the visibility is much higher as well.

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There is a flip side to this coin. When you have a systemic problem of this scale, you should be cautious about making simplistic (especially moral) judgements about individuals in the system. When someone's training, incentives, position in the community and even equipment nudge them towards bad actions, even decent people will routinely do bad things.

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3. nsajko+ev[view] [source] 2020-06-03 21:08:26
>>collle+Hr
Off topic, but

> self-referential post-modernist bullshit

Umm, what? What contaminations exactly are you thinking about? I just can't place self-referentiality into this topic. Are you suggesting there is a comparable analysis that does include self-referential motifs? Also, why is self-referentiality or postmodernism bullshit?

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4. Aviceb+YC[view] [source] 2020-06-03 21:50:01
>>nsajko+ev
Postmodernism is bullshit because it abandons any sense of rationalism and science and is used as an arm waving way of selling an agenda, often political, frequently done in a cynical attempt to seize power illegitimately. Jurgen Habermas has a thoughtful critique.
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