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1. jascii+Wb[view] [source] 2020-06-02 18:48:41
>>laurex+(OP)
Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations.

I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the crowd.

I find it really hard to not come to the conclusion that the police is desperately trying to set a narrative to justify a history of violence by escalating more violence, but please, someone, restore my faith.

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2. jwilbe+ye[view] [source] 2020-06-02 19:01:39
>>jascii+Wb
It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson.

People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on.

I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days.

In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of them. I saw this in-person multiple times. In Seattle, I haven’t seen that sort of corral behavior. However, police do shoot tear gas completely unprovoked and fire rubber bullets and mace without concern.

In both places, no looting was occurring at the main scene of the protests. In both cases, numerous videos show police breaking windows themselves.

In any case, it’s all the same: in a country that parades its freedom, people of color can’t protest without the president calling for them to be roughed up, and without the police willingly complying.

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3. bradly+1A[view] [source] 2020-06-02 20:50:03
>>jwilbe+ye
In a small suburb of San Diego the protest stopped traffic. Police forced the protesters off and then riots started and two banks were burnt down.

Two weeks ago a San Diego police deputy was released from jail after serving only six months after sexually assaulting (why forced oral sex is not rape I’m not sure) 16 women that had called the police for help. He does not have to register as a sexual offender.

Protesting is legal and a protest without a disturbance is not a protest, so arresting people causing a disturbance while shutting down non-violent disturbances is disappointing.

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4. kortil+YF[view] [source] 2020-06-02 21:28:13
>>bradly+1A
Stopping traffic risks the lives of people in ambulances so it’s pretty hard to condone that. Make noise, block access to some businesses, etc, but don’t block streets and cause traffic jams that could kill people FFS.
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5. jascii+7I[view] [source] 2020-06-02 21:39:18
>>kortil+YF
I have never in my life seen an ambulance be stopped by a protest, nor have ever heard of such an incident ever occuring.
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6. dbsmit+hs1[view] [source] 2020-06-03 03:57:04
>>jascii+7I
There are a lot of people out there who have important things that have to do with their health. Just because someone is not in an ambulance doesn't mean they don't have somewhere important to be. Not everyone with a medical condition rides in an ambulance.
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7. JamesB+By1[view] [source] 2020-06-03 04:59:08
>>dbsmit+hs1
But the vast majority of medical conditions where routing around a protest or road closure would cause serious harm to an individual are probably in ambulances.
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8. jcims+FC1[view] [source] 2020-06-03 05:34:17
>>JamesB+By1
So just roll the dice that you’re not going to hurt anyone by blocking traffic? Who’s responsible if something does go wrong? That’s going to really help the cause.
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9. Cathed+Cj2[view] [source] 2020-06-03 12:59:45
>>jcims+FC1
So to help your cause, make sure to never block traffic. Is that a fair understanding of your position?
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10. jcims+ln2[view] [source] 2020-06-03 13:23:58
>>Cathed+Cj2
No.

It's that blocking traffic is a material, aggressive escalation of a protest that could have very negative ramifications to the cause. Not only does it really really piss people off, it puts human bodies in direct conflict with vehicles and could potentially block travel to someone that needs urgent medical attention.

If that's your jam then go for it. For my part, if i am in a vehicle with family and we are in a traffic jam due to a protest, i'm going to be in an agitated state...not because of the delay but because of the inability to escape. I'll wait it out, but if people start attacking my car and breaking windows, i'm hitting the gas till i see daylight. That innate sense of how i would respond and is why i think people should approach blocking traffic with caution.

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11. jascii+QE2[view] [source] 2020-06-03 15:04:19
>>jcims+ln2
The way you are firing yourself up to commit homicide over a hypothetical situation is scary. Please seek help.
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