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1. mehrda+gc[view] [source] 2020-06-03 05:56:42
>>novia+(OP)
Just a heads-up: before you get angry, bear in mind the situation is evolving and that the context and the timing information are very relevant. Here's why: at least in NYC, I know the protest leaders and the NYPD police chief got together just a day or two ago to have a dialog and try to mend things so they can work together instead of against each other. [1] They don't hate each other, and in any case, both sides realize they need the other's support. They just want to be able to work together to keep things peaceful. And it seems like they're giving each other another chance to do things right, and it's important that they get that chance instead of having more tensions flare again as a result of anger from 3 days ago.

So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime. You won't necessarily see these on frontpage headlines, so it might take a bit of digging. (I've found actual videos from local news reporting on the ground much more helpful than textual articles from national outlets here. It seems to me it's just too difficult to capture all the relevant dynamics, emotion, and nuance in text.)

In fact, if anyone's involved, I would suggest putting this information in the repo here as well. You don't want to add fuel onto a fire that was already under control a few days ago, and you want to know when (or whether) good progress is being made. Ultimately the goal is to find a working model that others can hopefully emulate.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJGT06zIUiY&t=2m32s

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2. johnny+Km[view] [source] 2020-06-03 07:35:21
>>mehrda+gc
> Just a heads-up: before you get angry, bear in mind the situation is evolving and that the context and the timing information are very relevant.

"Before you get angry about police brutality, remember context is important!" Are you serious?! Some people are talking to the police chief so you shouldn't be angry that they are blockading people on to a bridge. Or angry that they are driving SUVs into people. Or violently pushing people to the ground. And that's just the NYPD. A department where the commissioner was praising the department for their restrain, if that's restrain wait until they stop holding back.

Giving each other the chance to do the right thing? What are you talking about? What do the protesters need to do? Stop proetesting?

> So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime

> So, before you get worked up about what happened, check the date, and try to see if there's any local news in the city that might indicate something might have changed in the meantime. You won't necessarily see these on frontpage headlines, so it might take a bit of digging. (I've found actual videos from local news reporting on the ground much more helpful than textual articles from national outlets here. It seems to me it's just too difficult to capture all the relevant dynamics, emotion, and nuance in text.)

Are you nuts? So if it happened 3 days ago and the police are saying sorry but not laying charges, it's a-ok? There are no real nuances here. You have police shooting rubber bullets are people's faces, spraying them with pepper spray while they have their hands up, tear gassing people. All while not facing criminal charges.

> In fact, if anyone's involved, I would suggest putting this information in the repo here as well. You don't want to add fuel onto a fire that was already under control a few days ago, and you want to know when (or whether) good progress is being made. Ultimately the goal is to find a working model that others can hopefully emulate.

No, you want to add fuel to this fire if you want this problem to be solved. Working models can be found in nearly every civilised country in the world.

Stop telling people not to be angry and start being angry.

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3. chrisc+Ko[view] [source] 2020-06-03 08:00:04
>>johnny+Km
You know a 77 year old retired cop was killed in St. Louis last night, holding his cell phone to call police about looters. You gonna protest his death too? Or do you just want an endless vicious cycle of blood feuds for the next 3000 years?
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4. robert+Cp[view] [source] 2020-06-03 08:08:13
>>chrisc+Ko
Clearly that is wrong too, but you know, two wrongs don't make a right. And a major difference is that violence against police actually is prosecuted unlike the opposite.
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5. chrisc+Wq[view] [source] 2020-06-03 08:21:23
>>robert+Cp
No, this guy was left to die in the street. His killers weren't caught.

He was a cop for 38 years before becoming chief of Moline Acres, Mo: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500839-retired-st-l...

This is what anti police hatred brewing in this country leads to. Gang violence. You embolden true criminals.

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6. robert+hs[view] [source] 2020-06-03 08:32:52
>>chrisc+Wq
The killers may not have been caught in this case, but I think it safe to assume that someone actually looked for them.
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7. chrisc+7t[view] [source] 2020-06-03 08:40:53
>>robert+hs
You got a lot of mental gymnastics to squirm out of your culpability for perpetrating hate towards the 99.9% of cops who do their job ethically. But you got no words for a dead man who served his community for 40+ years and meets a fate like this thanks to instigators and rioters who claim they're for justice.
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8. robert+Lt[view] [source] 2020-06-03 08:49:57
>>chrisc+7t
I have perpetrated no hate, and don't strawman me.

Acts of violence are _always_ wrong. I did however point out the police are not prosecuted in any meaningful systemic fashion.

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