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[return to "The business of tear gas"]
1. splitr+f5[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:25:02
>>hhs+(OP)
Tear gas is a chemical weapon and as such is banned in war according to the Geneva Conventions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/1...

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2. oicu81+A5[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:27:03
>>splitr+f5
The article states, "It also lives in a legal gray zone, due to international treaties that allow it to be used in domestic law enforcement but not in war."
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3. geogra+S5[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:28:07
>>oicu81+A5
Right - that seems horribly wrong. It shouldn't be allowed for law enforcement either.
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4. eitlan+87[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:33:12
>>geogra+S5
Do you have a suggestion for a better way to achieve the same results?

(Of course we can discuss if most of the uses of tear gas are wrong, but lets for a moment think that we have a moment were we need to chase away a crowd of evil persons riotong and threatening to kill perfectly innocent children.)

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5. happyt+Wa[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:49:44
>>eitlan+87
>Do you have a suggestion for a better way

>evil persons rioting and threatening to kill perfectly innocent children

This is a great and important question, and something that deserves way more R&D than it gets currently from the US's leviathan budget, but you should be aware that this lineup of statements is a bog standard bad-faith rhetorical tactic, and may be [mis]interpreted that way (i.e. this is often basically a paraphrase of "if you, Mr. Individual, do not have a solution right now, then you must be OK with the killing of innocent people").

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6. eitlan+Kl[view] [source] 2020-06-02 16:42:53
>>happyt+Wa
> but you should be aware that this lineup of statements is a bog standard bad-faith rhetorical tactic, and may be [mis]interpreted that way

Aha, so that's what is happening.

Thanks a lot for the explanation.

This is one of the things that really annoy me here: every time someone make an honest argument and someone else assume that it is a

- dogwhistle

- a "just asking question" tactic

- etc

even when they have to misread or stretch the meaning quite a bit to arrive at that result.

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7. anigbr+CO[view] [source] 2020-06-02 19:00:19
>>eitlan+Kl
If you've noticed such a pattern and dislike it, you could have restructured your argument to avoid it. I toss or substantially rewrite more comments than I eventually post.
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