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1. montec+M6[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:31:20
>>hhs+(OP)
In my city we have seen several peaceful protesters (some quite some distance away from police) be nearly killed by less lethal ammunition. Being hit in the head or neck by a rubber bullet will drop a person to the ground unconscious instantly. This means they can even hit their head again against pavement. Nobody has died yet, but they are clearly extremely dangerous.

We have also seen the use of tear gas. I don't want the police to hurt anyone, but I haven't seen any long term damage from its use.

If police are going to use force, from what I have seen, tear gas is less dangerous. It is still awful. I'd rather it not be used, but I just wanted to share what I've seen.

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2. ashton+A7[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:35:26
>>montec+M6
Police appear to be misusing rubber bullets, possibly on purpose.

Rubber bullets are supposed to be fired at shin height, to achieve the appropriate mix of pain and risk reduction. They’re not zero risk because of ricochets, but flat, low trajectories help. It should go without saying that they should only be used when necessary, but if they must be used there is a way it should be done.

The number of people being struck in the chest and head by rubber bullets implies that the cops are aiming for the head, a gross abuse of force if true.

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3. brende+i8[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:38:04
>>ashton+A7
There are multiple videos of cops aiming and firing directly at the face and head, sometimes only a few feet away. It's terrifying and disheartening.
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4. ashton+R8[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:41:18
>>brende+i8
I feel like rubber bullets should be serialized, so you can know who fired it. It shouldn’t be too hard, they’re both extremely large and consumed in relatively small quantities.
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5. sneak+Xc[view] [source] 2020-06-02 15:59:02
>>ashton+R8
Why would it matter who fired it? Police are not holding police accountable for violent assaults.

Even if you were to ID the attacker, qualified immunity prevents you from suing them personally for violating your rights. You sue the police department, and then the taxpayer pays the settlement, and the cop suffers no negative consequences.

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6. chilli+Jh[view] [source] 2020-06-02 16:21:51
>>sneak+Xc
yes but qualified immunity is only one part of the story.

even if you can't sue them personally, they can be held accountable to their supervisors.

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7. voganm+Gn[view] [source] 2020-06-02 16:52:04
>>chilli+Jh
> A white Minneapolis police officer who knelt on George Floyd’s neck opened fire on two people during his 19-year career and had nearly 20 complaints and two letters of reprimand filed against him.

“Held accountable”

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